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And with whorse living conditions too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />.

Übereil

Of course you are right. You cannot stay outside when you have your own opinion.

My way is mostly trying to show both sides *why* they have their opinions - trying to make them understand each orther better. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

That's basically what I meant. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

There are of course things where I easiuly jump on one side, poor people, for example ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Not quite right : with the Birds as their ancestors, Dinosaurs are still one of the most dominant species in the world !

I'm not so sure about that. Bears are lucky they never run into this little honey .
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
One bite is enough. It's not their sharp teeth or that they're so extremely strong. What makes them so deadly is all the bacteria they carry in their mouths.

But that aside.
I liked the system in old Greece. Couple 1000 years ago. People got together on the market square and everybody could have their say. More or less anyway. It was sure more democratic than anything we have today.
Even with a referendum. Goverments often say it's not binding. That's a way of saying: "See what good rulers we are? We let you have your say too."
But (and they don't say that, but that's what it means): "After you had your say, we don't give a [nocando] and do whatever we want anyway."
Democracy is something that doesn't exist and can't be created. Voting and elections haven't got much to do with democracy. Often you don't get to vote for someone you think should represend you. Even more often when you do get to vote for that someone others will team up and form a goverment, leaving the one who got most votes out. Often voting is just choosing between one bad and another bad. Often, after being elected, people who got a lot of votes make a 180° degree turn and forgot all promisses. And so on and on...
Voting, elections and politics just upset me. I have to deal with politicians and "high placed members of the community" (womit smiley) daily. It's a bowl of slime that gets more repulsive daily.

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Übereil

[color:"orange"] I liked the system in old Greece [/color]

That's too un-specific. Historically, what is now known as the Greek culture, had practically all known forms of Government!

From classic tyranny, hereditary monarchy, oligarchy and democracy, all present and different from city state to city state, and co-existing at the same time.

What you refer to is Athens, the 'cradle of democracy' - they also provided the classic example of quantity over quality in the verdict of Socrates <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Everything bad you mention, can also be found in Athen's history - anything good to be said about democracy as well. Though Athens had some of its best times under autocratic rulers (Themiostocles; Pericles)

Actually I wrote

So people know what type I ment.

As it's of my favourite periods in history and politics these days are just a horror I didn't wanted to go deeper into it. Comparing politics and politicians of today with old Greece and the people who lived there back then is an insult to those people.
Discussing the great people of those days is a completely differend topic. In all writings that are left of those days they show a great intrest to learn about the world. To search for solutions. To stimulate ideas. To understand and comprehent.
Comparing 99,9999% of politicians of today with parasites is an insult to parasites.

I like our system of voting on referendums.
Yes, it is not perfect, but I have enjoyed both good and bad from our system.
As for politicians, well, they do their job.
All I know is I would not want their job; just as I would not want the job
of a person who picks onions from a field.
The thing about politics is it is always a two edged sword
no matter what one does.
Some are helped while others are hurt.
It's inevitable.

Tsel

I know what you meant, Seth.

That does not invalidate, what I was saying. I still think you're idealizing the past and unfairly generalizing the present. But I concede that this indeed is a different topic, which I will willingly discuss - at a later stage. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

People who know me would tell you I never Idealize anything.
Not even when I was a kid and when it came to music fi. I never became a big fan just becouse I liked one or two songs. I could hate the next one just the same.
I don't think I'm unfair to the present.
Like I said. I'm often involved/ have to deal with them/that world. I see enough.
And world news shows that others of the same kind act just the same. Or should I say "act just the shame"?

Seth, I hope you don't mind, but may I ask in what job you deal with politicians very often? (Just so you won't misunderstand me: what do you work with?)

Übereil

That's very hard to explain. I work for the goverment. And my job is just to replace for a lot of bosses or managers on different services. I do a lot of different jobs for a lot of different services.
And unofficially I support and work for social work that doesn't always get the support it deserves from goverment.
That's why I know that world so well.

Well, if you work for them, you certanly SHOULD know them well <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />...

Übereil

Nope
Becouse officially the politicians aren't allowed to get involved with my job. Corruption, you know?
They aren't supposed to ask me to work on this or that file first or other things that favor some people over others.
But ofcourse they do that all the time, constantly.

Even better... (By this I mean whorse <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />.)

Übereil

What does "whorse" mean ? I only know "horse" and "whore" ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Or do you mean whose ? Or worse ?

Or would you remember that there is a topic to discuss?

Bad Whorse Whorse (I think, I'm NOT getting hargevik for this kind of thing! Period!) (Oh, and I've might have misspelled it. Any spellingerrors is blamed on my teachers!)

Übereil

Now onto some of the good that has happened with our referendums.

Only a year ago we here in the State of California was sick and tired of our State Governor "Gray Davis".
I never voted for him, but he got the majority vote for his first 4 year term and his second 4 year term.
To me he was the epitome of a "gutless, spineless, bast*rd".
He was driving our State into bankruptcy fast!
So the good people of California said enough is enough and gathered the required signatures from the people to oust him out of office, by requiring another State Governor election.
Well, to make a long story short "Arnold Schwarzenegger" is our Governor now.
Yes, a lot of people are mad at him too as our governor, but those people are only looking at the small picture rather than the big picture.
He's definitely a whole hell of a lot better than our former governor Gray Davis.
Oh, I didn't vote for Arnold, neither but I am happy with how he is doing his job as our Governor.

Tsel


(epitome = a typical or ideal example : EMBODIMENT)

Fascinating. I didn't realize he the only person in the government, and therefore "He" was responsible for driving the state into bankruptcy. Nor do I know enough about state level economics to say whether a state can go into bankruptcy, or why that would be a negative thing (the massive dollar amount on the US trade deficit doesn't seem to be worrying many people).

How fortunate the voters in California are to have you available, with your vast knowledge of economics, your personal knowledge of the former governor (rather than just hearing potentially misleading news reports), and your razor sharp logical mind which would never have you swayed by something so pedestrian as a lack of a genuinely informed opinion and an intimate knowledge of what is happening at the "higher" levels of power.

Naturally you shouldn't trust such a man, because after all, you decided he was gutless and spineless, based on your insider knowledge and consumate genius. Perhaps you should run for office, if you are not already in "power", with your psychic powers and towering intellect, the voters cannot help but benefit, no?