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After finishing Darkstone and its cardboard box levels, I needed a game with more atmosphere. So here I am playing Vampire Redemption.

I don't remember this game being as hard as it is now. I had no problems with the demo and got use to the clunky character control with a full party right from the start.

Was there difficulty levels before the patch, because I don't remember?

Anyways, I patched the game and it seemed to work. Could save anywhere so I figured all other features were fine. Until I got to this one boss and kept dying all the time. I'm guessing it was Mercurio because I deleted the game and I am not really sure now. Also the patch mentioned they tweaked down Mercurio's stats.

Another reason I question the patch is because I un-checked auto cast buffs for party members. This is what hurts me before fighting the boss. My party member kept buffing himself for simple fights and was wasting blood mana. I only had a couple bottles for each which didn't help my cause.

The patch also mentions that certain disciplines may not work properly for a short period of time with the new save system. This happens from loading a save and you shouldn't do it in an area if disciplines are needed immediately. Well, where else are you going to save before fighting a boss.

I like everything about this game besides party members wasting blood mana when there isn't enough to go around yet. So I reinstalled and used the patch once again. It sucks starting over but I don't want to give up on this game yet.

Has anyone else experienced problems that the patch didn't seem to fix?

I don't remember being stuck so early in the game before and question myself if I was playing it un-patched the first time. It's been so long, again I don't remember. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

Well, I found some information already.

The Coterie AI options don't work and that was the main reason I reinstalled/patched the game.

There still seems to be an active forum for the game, so I guess I should keep an eye out there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Is Mercurio a ghoul with connections in Redemtion too? Because he is in Bloodlines...

Übereil

Mercurio was just some powerful monk, claiming that he almost had the secrets to life and death.

I should have no problem taking him out now, because my new character seems to be doing better so far. Not sure why my first character was so bad, I didn't spread my attributes out thin.

Vampire Redemption seems to have its own rules with attributes. I already raised my stamina some, then you hear people say its not really needed. I can see where the equipment is a lot more important than certain stats, but I am not going to worry over five points if my performance is better.

Mercurio is early in the game, so I will see him soon again.

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There was one important thing about this game I did forget about. You gain experience through out your play and can spend it anytime you wish at your haven. You don't have to wait until you so call level. So I guess my first character was playing weaker than he had to be.

Even though with my second character, I have only spent experience points once like the first and still seem to be doing a lot better.

Edit:

Damn, I must have done something right with my stats and equipment. I walked through Mercurio this time like he was a standard enemy. The battle was over before it even started, I was still casting buffs when he was defeated. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

It seems more people like Bloodlines this time around compared to Redemption. Is it because of a great story line with the graphics to go along with it again or did they actually fix the game mechanics this time?

Because to tell you the truth, Redemption is so messed up it's hard to take serious anymore. Besides not being able to control the coterie AI, I can't rest at my haven anymore. So much for the patch and important issues that needed to be fixed.

I over looked a lot of stuff since the game has such great atmosphere and I am totally into horror. It's just getting a little ridiculous that so many features are useless and it's a guessing game of what actually works. I see stats changing by themselves without any reason.

At least I learned the basics to have characters that are able to perform, but there arn't really many custom options unless you want to have useless disciplines. This game really has a sad formula for creating characters. A couple stats will enhance performance and the rest are meaningless.

The only appeal this game has anymore is to see what's around the next corner. They really did go the extra mile into the detail of this game. If you take the time to hold the z-button and look, you will see what all their effort was put into. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I don't know how Bloodlines compare to Redemtion (since I've never played Redemtion), but Bloodlines is a great game, with great Voiceacting and good NPC's as the highlights (IMO). Quite a bit of humour, but allso some scary quests (since you're into horror <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />). If you can, I suggest picking Bloodline up.

Übereil

Cool, it sounds like a winner. Guess I will have to wait until I get a new computer to play it though.

Seems like I am moving along ok in Redemption. Just left Prague and entered Vienna for the first time. If I make it through this area without any problems, I will most likely check out London and New York.

The good thing about playing older games are the fast load times. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

I have been playing Bloodlines but got stuck in the warehouse, trying to get out of it without being slaughtered by hundreds of bad dudes, very frustrating!...will try again but have moved onto The Bard's Tale which i picked up for a meagre £2.97 and it's a DVD Rom to boot!!

Can't get past the warehouse? Have you tried this:

When comeing out of the old trainstation you move into the trains. Try moveing to the east (right), in one of the rows of trains there will be a door you can open, and on the other side is another door you can allso open. This leads through to a route that leads round to the back of the warehouse. Kill everything you see on this route, so you won't have to do it on the way back.
Getting into the warehouse is another matter. When you open this door there will be stairs right in front of you, and a door to your right. Now you can take two routs. Note that I won't mention loot.

1) Sneak into the door to the right and kill everyone in this room. Use your diciplines to a max, and feed when you need more blood (remember that feed allso gains you more health). Remember bloodbuff, it is great this early in the game <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. After this, try takeing out as many as possible in the first room you entered, to finally go up the staircase and into the room up there, clean the first two rooms out, then plant the bomb and run out the same way you came. You will have to fight two Sabbath vampires in order to get through the door, but use your diciplines and you should be able to make it (unless you run out of blood, but then use a bloodpack, unless you're out of those too...).

2) This one means trying to sneak up the stairs and into the room. Likelly someone will spot you and come running up the stairs. When in this room, kill anyone there, then try hideing. If you can't hide, use your diciplines heavilly (especially bloodbuff, the extra stamina helps in makeing you survive and the strenght in killing) and feed a lot to keep your health and bloodlevel high. If only one is left, feed on him til he dies. Then move into the next room, kill everyone there, plant the bomb and run out the way you came. Ignore anyone in between you and the exit. You will have to fight the Sabbath vampires, but the thugs will go away if you only ignore them.

You were Gangrel, right? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Übereil

Damn, I havn't seen any mobs that huge yet in Redemption but I have been ganged up on a few times so far. I hate when it happens because the combat system turns into rugby football.

I've been reading more about Bloodlines and a couple people mentioned it's clunky too. Guess they improved it some or are you playing solo missions which doesn't make it seem as bad?

Guess I was a little too harsh on Redemption also. I see it now as one of those games that tries to do a lot of different things and some features lack because of it. If you could solo through this game and they balanced out the enemies for a non-party combat, this game would totally rock!

I'm in Vienna now and playing the game more like an adventure/action style and really getting into it. Even at the end of Prague where areas opened up more, the fighting wasn't that bad because you had more room.

It's still a RPG because I get to collect gold and upgrade my equipment. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

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I guess I shouldn't complain because a game is a game.

I did just finish Darkstone and Redemption is far more interesting. Sure, some of the battles get out of hand but I can deal with it more than the huge battles in Wizardry 8. The camera system is actually good, compared to the limited views in Summoner.

So games are games and Redemption is a good one at that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

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Better yet, instead of wanting to solo through Redemption. It would be cool if they just gave you one party member. It would definitely cut down on that cluttered feeling.

You would solo Prague alone, then when you entered Vienna a new party member would join you. Upon leaving Vienna that person would stay and someone else would join you in London. Then you do the samething for New York and this would keep Wilhem, Serena and Erik in the game.

Now that would be so cool.

Since Bloodline is use first person view, haveing more than one partymember would be a problem (which has been removed by haveing no partymembers). So really, there are a LOT of solo missions <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />!

But what do you mean by chunky?

Übereil

I got to the part about planting the bomb just fine but i didn't go out the way i came in!!!...there's where i went wrong then...I'll try your method next time then Ube's...cheers for that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

I was reading that some people said the combat was a little clunky but maybe they were running it on slower end machines. I feel like an idiot not knowing it was a first person view game. Maybe because the screenshots I saw were over the shoulder shots and I thought you could spin the camera around.

As far as clunky goes with Redemption, you can only zoom out so far and your character's sizes seem large in tight spaces. At times it feels like they take up a lot of the screen, unless you use a top down perspective. It gets clunky when they bump into each other or there isn't enough room to move around.

That's when you separate from the group and use one character as a puller.

Lack of space isn't something you'll have to stick to in Bloodlines. The only problem I had with it was that it went out to the over the shoulder view in fights (why can't it be first person in fights? You necesarily have to SEE how cool your caracter looks live in action?).

Übereil

Well, at least you get to have choices in Bloodlines. I'm guessing that's why people are giving it better reviews this time around. Redemption is a linear game but as an adventure player, that doesn't bother me too much.

Actually it doesn't bother me at all, I could tell the game was on a set path from the beginning.

Edit:

After finding ways to manipulate the game mechanics and have my own play style, I have to say I am enjoying Redemption a lot. The story in this game is fantastic and I am glad I don't know anything about White Wolf. This way I can enjoy it for what it is and not look for anymore flaws.

The bottom line is, it's not Diablo and you can't rush through battles with powerful builds. Its not an open end RPG where you can choose many paths, so you might as well enjoy the one you are on. It is more of an adventure, because the game plays out a single linear story.

Now that I know what I am playing, the game/story is fantastic. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />

I have a friend who thinks Resident:Evil is an RPG, because the story is great, and you can play in line with your character, so I guess Redemtion is too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />. If my brother had known where his copy was I'd might try it some day...

Übereil

That's exactly why I like horror!

Horror always goes for atmosphere. Good atmosphere is what puts you in the mood of the game. Then it's the mood that makes you feel like you are role playing.

Redemption isn't scary horror but the story line is so cool. They just lay it on a bit heavy in the beginning how two characters love each other. I love you, I love you more, I love you even more than that, blah, blah, blah. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sleepey.gif" alt="" />

But other than that, the story is really solid giving that stronger sense of purpose.

The areas in the game are done very well, there is no denying that. It's not like I didn't care for Prague, because after all it is what kept me playing the game. It was me trying to figure out the character formula that distracted from enjoying the game more.

Now that I am in Vienna, I'm seeing even cooler stuff that makes me happy I stuck with the game. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" /> about RPGs but still talking horror.

I just checked out the demo for Sanitarium and this looks like another good game that I missed out on. It's point and click classic adventure style and the game seems twisted.

I was never impressed with the screenshots but after playing the demo, the game seems solid. The voice acting is a little stale but there is definitely atmosphere in the game.

Of course you have to like old school adventure to get into the game.

This game is so tripping right now! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

I just made it to modern times 1999 London and it's like I am playing a whole new game. I'm chasing around people with guns, while trying to kill them with a sword. Redemption just totally turned into an action game and it still pretends to be a RPG.

If people thought the combat was bad earlier in the game, it just gets worse. I have dexterity of 90 so my sword is good. Then you come across some flame thrower guy who just stands there between shots and you are swinging at the air. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

Wow, I can see why people got so upset with this game not offering more. With such wonderful places as Prague and Vienna, the game turns around and completely changes it format. Not even so much because of the new enviroments, but more so because of the new play style.

I wouldn't recommend this game to hardcore RPG players. On the other had if you are an action game player, that knows RPG rules and the basics in creating characters. Redemption definitely brings something new to the table.

Well, you know I have to finish the game for the story. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Edit:

Damn, this game keeps giving me mixed emotions about it. Something cool always comes up and I am like, this totally rocks again! Well maybe not totally but it is fun, addicting and I definitely want to finish it.