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This article raises the question. I do not agree with the entire article, but it raises an interesting point.

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The struggle for public respect goes on. As soon as the Entertainment Software Association knocks down one clown-made unconstitutional ordinance designed to censor video games, another one pops up somewhere else. It’s Whack-A-Mole with lawsuits.

Video games are an easy target because, unlike the movies, games have no powerful friends and no beautiful film stars to argue for them. But there are many other reasons for our lack of cultural credibility as well. Some of them aren’t our fault, but a surprising number are, and recently I’ve thought of another one: We don’t have any highbrow games.

Is it because the target audience is teenagers? (I am in my 50s.)
Is it because it is "pop" culture and considered an inappropriate vehicle for "high" culture?
Or do highbrow games exist of which I (and the article's author) are unaware?

Highbrow games certainly exist: chess.

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is the author hinting that video games do not have prestige as those of other entertainment mediums?

i can agree on certain things such public perception as it is similar to the comics industry (though the comics industry as it is now does in some ways deserve it but that's another story) where it's almost all pop rather than driving a message or to transcend beyond pure entertainment. this i guess is mostly driven by major companies that monopolises the industry therefore dictating or rather influencing heavily the consumption.

i believe there are video games that transcend beyond pure entertainment but they aren't high-brow (which i read as arty & ultra-pretentious). the closest to high-brow in terms of labour of love & artistry being put in the work will always be mods made by fans of games as well as certain works by some new or unknown companies. i dare say Divine <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> is one of them though the last part has obvious flaws.

true as what Cleg says, if we take the word game generally, then chess is a high-brow game. word games are also high brow as the educational value seems apparent in them.

another 'high-brow' video games, as implied by the author of the article, reside in the genre of war/strategy games.

the closest i can find to match this 'high-brow' term, at least in a positive light (causing gamers to think beyond twitching reactions for example) will be in the RPG genre. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2 is an example where some options given to the gamers reflect moral quandaries. Divine <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> also provides such situations in some of the quests. i haven't played Planescape: Torment yet but i feel it provides the same as well.

in the end, 'high-brow' as in arty farty does exist for video games but in the pure entertainment intent - games with so much eye candy. what ios the point of Merchant Ivory when it doesn't serve any purpose other than being ultra-pretentious? if that is the intent, then most first-person shooters are the video games' Merchant Ivory.

moral of the story: Merchant Ivory films are overrated. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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What does the term "highbrow" mean ? Never heard it before.


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What does the term "highbrow" mean ? Never heard it before.
It refers to arts or activities which are of a superior culture. An opera by Wagner would be highbrow; A Rolling Stones concert would not.


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Okay.

We call this kind iof movies here often "Autorenkino", because it's directed towards a very small audience and features often movies after stories or so written by authors. Another term is "Kulturkino", where "kino" means "cinema".

In the last 10-20 years, big cinemas ("movie palaces") were spreading fast, meanwhile smaller, art oriented cinemas closed down more & more. I was kind of shocked, as I was in Cologne last saturday, and I saw the "Lupe" being closed. It had been open so many years ...

But that has partly top do with German economy : People are becoming more & more poor, and unemployment is the greatest problem Germany has faced ever (after WWII).
So, people don't have that much money anymore in their pockets and what do they prefer : Blockbusters. Not art-oriented kino.

Since "Kulturkino", as I like to call it, is being sponsored by the parts of the government (ministry of culture, I think), this is rather independend, which leads to movie-makers making almost anything they want. The drawback ist, that this is rarely seen, due the fact a) it seems sometimes too weird to people, or "too higbrow", so to say, b) isn't shown in movie palaces (the big movie palaces seem to be against it like - a saying here in Germany says "the devil fears the holy water". I've NEVER EVER seen a movie that's "typical" for such a small art oriented cinema in a big "movie palace".
Now, with the government having its own problems duue to the economical crisis within Germany, there is fewer money the ministry for culture andd similar offices spend.


I've read the article at the link, and I must agree. Games are considered not "important" enough rioght now to be called "cculturally important" somehow.


In a Star Wars related forum I've wrote a small "article" about German's economy right now. I'm including it here, although it's rather off topic, to help explain what I wrote above.


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Yes, Walmart is selling their shops to Metro, a big conglomerate of different warehouses, among others the Kaufhof, Real and Metro itself.

The market is hard here, especially considering the greatly suffering economy of the country. Exports go incredibly well, but the economy within the country suffers greatly from people who simply don't want to buy.

Among other compertors are Aldi and Lidl, whixch we call here "discounters" in terms of food. They mainly sell food for very low prices, and to a small extend non-food, too.

The overall problem is, that people are trying to save money. They simply fear an uncertain future.

It had began with the invention of the Euro. Some capitalists tried to exploit the changing course of Deutsche Mark (DM) to Euro, which is 1 Euro is word almost 2 DM. So, they thought they could "use" this to increase the prices by one simple trick : Keep the prices. 1:1 . In fact, that meant that people who decided to pay these prices actually payed double the money for less. Or so it seemed them.
Not all companies tried to exploid that, of course, but enough to disturb the faith of consumers greatly.

Now, everything is expensive. 10 Euro - which are basically around 20 Deutsche Mark - melt away like ice in the sunshine.

Psychologically, this means to the consumers this : Keep your money ! Or you will be poor sooner than you like !

This overall feeling among consumers led to a feeling of keeping money - not buying stuff anymore.

And that led to many many many shops closing, in the end, and an increadibly increased rate of unemployed people, currently about 4 Million, which is insanely high for Germany.

So, the obverall inland economy is suffering greatly. People have no money, and the few they have they don'Ät want zo spend because they fear they won't have enough when they're old.

Winners of this situation (yes, there ARE winners !) are the discounters. They sell for so low prices they are able to attract many, many people. And the people get used to these low prices ! So others have to cope - with low prices, too. And some companies cannot afford that.

That is what has driven Walmart out of Germany's market. These low prices the people only want to have, because a) they are used to them and b) they fear they won't have enough for their future.

Our far most biggest problem right now is unemployment. No jobs, no money to spend, no more shops, thus no more jobs.

Or, to put it into other words :
Job -> Money income -> money available to spend -> into shop -> shop gets increased income by increased sales -> can employ more people -> more jobs -> more money income -> more money to spend ...

This circle is currently being heavily broken here. No jobs, no money. No money, no jobs.

Even worse, companies that are even increasing thir profits by thousands and millions fire people ! Less employees -> less money to give away for salaries -> more profits for the company.

But what they don't see is : No jobs, no money, no money, no jobs ... The companies which are "dumping" employees right now will l0ose in the long run.

Another very bad point is the increase of energy prices. We have some very notorious energys companies which do know only one word : increase prices !

This increase price for water, current, oil and gas even steals more money away from the pockets of the customers !

No money, no jobs, no jobs, no money ...

This is the worst time of German history in an economical sense. It's just plain ugly.

That's one factor among many why collectors are having a hard time here in Germany. Energy prices and food prices eat away so much there isn't too much money to spend for collecting anymore.

That's the most precise description of Germany's economy I can write in English right now.

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