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25.000 Greyhounds are killed per year in the USA alone
69 per day
3 per hour
1 greyhound every 20 minutes...[/color]
Sign the petition to ban the Greyhound races!
Since we are gonna adopt a Galgo Espaniol, I would appreciate if you guys would sign this for me.
Thanks a lot <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kissyou.gif" alt="" />

done, Gal! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

You're sugar sweet Jang, thx a lot hun! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kissyou.gif" alt="" />

Signed!

Sadly I believe these petitions have no power. When something like greyhound racing is so popular, the only people with the power to really stop it are the ones gaining from it. Greed usually wins. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

Thx Plowking, I saw someone named Plowman that had signed, so I guessed it was you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kissyou.gif" alt="" /> Even though it's a small thing on a larger scale, "even the smallest person can change the course of the future" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

[color:"orange"] Stop Greyhound races, the sport that kills! [/color]
No the sport does not kill. Bad treatment against the animals kills.

I had 2 dogs, an afghan dog (during 14 years) and a saluki dog (during 10 years).
They used to do races with other dogs and they loved the races.

In France, there is no bets for the dog races and no money for the owner of the dog who wins the race.
The dog only gets a trophee and presents.

These dogs are shaped for running and hunting.
In France, hunting with a dog is forbidden so the dog can only run after a fake rabbit just for fun in a race.
The dogs are very proud when they win a beauty contest or a race.
Maybe some people can't believe that, but i know what i am talking about and i know very well this kind of dogs.

I will not sign a petition against dog races because it is completely stupid.
But i will sign all the petitions against bad treatments for all kinds of animals.

[color:"orange"]Nowadays everything must be banned for being politically correct.
Let the people (and the dogs) live as they like.[/color]


This is Jeddah, one of my beloved doggies

Unfortunately Gal, Barta is right (IMHO) thus when there's a petition to stop cruelty to animals I be the first in .... as I happen to think that animals are way smarter then people LOL way nicer too !! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

after Barta's explanation (hi Barta!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kissyou.gif" alt="" /> ), i feel that i should re-direct my disapproval from the races to the mistreatment of the animals.

i have no idea that the doggies love the races too. all in the fun of the chase, i guess. & i love the way the French handle the race, pure fun for both doggies & people but with very little greed involved (other than winning the trophy & prestige).

let's hope things DO change & make the races animal-friendly. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

@ Barta -> that's another pic of Jeddah that i have never seen. very intelligent look. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

Signed.

Too bad that one person only looks further then her nose is long. I can tell you guys a bunch about my reasons why those dogs need to be rescued out of the hands of those cruel owners. But I guess no one would listen. Cause Barta said so. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

Thx Macbeth, I'm glad to see at least one person cares enough for the life of those poor creatures. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug.gif" alt="" />

I do, of course I do.

If things in France are the way they are as Barta describes them, kudos to the French, but that doesn't change the facts and figures of dograces in America. Apples and oranges people.

First of all, this petition is not about the dogs in France, they may be treated well enough, but this is about the dogs in Spain and the USA. If you would read the article at least, you would see that they are in very bad shape, get very bad meals, mostly meat that is disqualified cause it comes from the mad cows diseases and stuff like that. To have one good racer, the breeder has 100 puppies, only one of them is usefull enough to race, the rest will be killed with no mercy.
If you want proof, come and have a look at these poor animals, who couldn't be saved anymore





You had enough? Too bad, I have more to show!
Horror at Albacete This poor dog was tied up with barbed wire to a pole, cause he lost his last race, lucky he could get the pole out of the ground, but he dragged it with the barbed wire with him for several days.
Teresa, hanged by her former owner, cause she lost a race
Take a look at this if you dare Barta! I bet you think that the cocks in cockfights are also proud? Those poor dogs run for their life, not for the stupid cup.

To everyone else, this kind of comments by someone that doesn't look further then her own country makes me soo mad. Please, keep signing and if you don't sign, I respect that as well, but don't let your choice be influenced by those comments of the above.

Cruelty to animals is awful and i think these people should be deadly punished for what they do.

I can't understand, in several states in the United States, it is forbiden to sell and eat "foie gras" for protecting ducks and gooses against bad treatments but nothing is done against the dog owners who torture their animals. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

I am going to give you an exemple.
In France cycling races are very popular but a lot of racing cyclists use to take drugs for winning the races.
You could say that the cycling sport is bad for health and that it must be banned.
Or you could say that the the cycling sport is good for health and only the cyclists who take drugs have to be banned.

It is exactly what i said in my previous post.
Everywhere in the world, dog races are not bad for the dogs, only human people are bad for the dogs and these people must be punished.

I never said to the people, don't sign the petition, i just said that I will not sign it.
Keep signing if it is your own choice.

Please don't say that i do not look further than my own country, it is not fair. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

Back to the doggies.

Greyhounds, afghans, salukis, galgos, barzoïs, deerhounds, irish wolfhounds, whippets, etc, can live in a small house or a flat but they deadly need a lot of exercise.

Everyday at least 1,5 hour for walking.
One or two times by week, they need to run or to practice a sport.
The sport could be agility or racing.

If you are not interested by dog racing, stop reading this post.
If you want to know a little bit more about this sport, don't stop reading.

[color:"orange"]The booklet of the owner of sporting dog

Update 2002
(This document is not a regulation but a collection of consultings)

Booklet established by Professor Guy QUEINNEC.

• Where to address to you?

Your young Sighthound should initially be educated to follow the lure until the end and to tolerate the other competitors.

For that you have a network of Work Clubs (race clubs on oval track racing (ENC and IT) or clubs of coursing (P V L)) approved by the S.C.C and which lay out each one of a perimeter of attribution for the delivery of the Patents of Aptitude for Racing (B.A.C.) or for Coursing (B.P.V.). The address can be provided to you by your Regional Canine Society or your specialized Association of breed.
If you adhere to a club, you will receive all the useful information.

• Which trials exist?

There are three kinds of trials:

National Trials on the oval track racing. (ENC)
Baptized races or " racing ” in our jargon they proceed on a "cynodrome” (oval track racing), calibrated then approved by the National Commission of Sighthound's Use known as: " Commission Sighthounds ".
At the first time, dogs disputes a race against time known as: " qualification”. The result is depending on a reference speed (10 to 15 meters per seconds) known as the basic time.

Then it is classified : International, A, B, C, D.

After that, it disputes races ( now, the result is depending on the place of the dog) in which, it will face the competitors of its category.

International trials. (IT)

They are holding on the "cynodromes”. Sighthounds dispute all together the first place, after a selections either at time, or at their place in a traditional race.
They defer from the preceding ones by the distribution of the categories without minimum speed limit, but often join together competitors of great value.

Lure coursing trials (EPVL).

They are races with two competitors, the remind the aptitude for hunting. Dogs are pursuing a lure on a long course in slalom including obstacles which are placed in the nature. Each one is judged on its behaviour , on its speed, its resistance, its eagerness, its wiliness, its courage, and its art of capture the lure on the arrival. In the other countries, the E.P.V.L. are called "Coursing” and the judgment is different.

• When and how to start?

The young Sighthound is brought to the ‘cynodrome' at an age generally lain between 6 months and 1 year according to the breed. It must be young enough so that one benefits from his natural tendency to play and run after a lure, but be formed enough because if the young dog is not sufficiently formed, its skeleton is likely to suffer damage following an error of race. It will be able to start to run officially after 12 or 15 month according to the race.

Raising
We start by accustoming the young dog to the noises, the barking, the presence of other dogs, and that can be done very early.
Then we show him the lure and teach to him how to run behind.
Others prefer to place the lure behind so that it passes at high speed in front of the dog which has then the reflex to run in its continuation. It is preferable to start the race towards the end of the course, the owner being held on arrival and a third party bringing the dog at the beginning of the traverses. Like that, he will be motived at the same time by the lure and by returning to his owner who must congratulate him loudly. Little by little, the distance will be lengthened until the complete course.
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With Foie Gras you cannot make what you can earn for one dograce. I'm talking about millions of dollars .


Those cyclists choose for the drugs themselves, they are not forced to use it. The dogs are forced to run, or they die.




At least one thing we agree on.


When you only say "In France this" and "in France that" you don't look further then your own country.

Back to the doggies.


Not true, in fact those hounds have a very lazy nature, and the walks don't have to be 1.5 hour per day, they are as happy if you walk them for 30 minutes. And a lot of these dogs have injuries that came from intensive racing. I'm not saying that races for fun should be banned, some friends from the Greyhound forum still do that. But racing for money and the big bucks, makes the dog invalid for the rest of his life.
And every member of that forum claims that their Greyhound of Galgo or Whippet or Barzoi is a very lazy dog, are they all liars? Or do they have no idea what they are talking about?

I'm pretty sure that in your country dogs are properly taking care of, but in Spain and the USA is racing still a big bucks sport, where dogs still die or be tortured if they loose. Those races should be banned, not the ones for fun. And the petition was only about those races.

Oopsie Girls, Gals and Guys, let us keep it happy here huh!
I know the topic is serious, but we are looking at it from 2 different view points!
So lets be nice and make-up okay? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug.gif" alt="" />

I AM nice, but when it comes to animals, someone has to make the point for them, since they can't. And there is nothing wrong with a good healthy discussion right? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Chickens are raised and killed in horrid conditions.




what can you do about it?

For an entertaining (really) exposition of the inexcuseable cruelty done to animals in order to feed our palate see this video parody of the Matrix--the Meatrix

Of course, you can become a vegetarian and thus not participate nor contribute to animal cruelty.

edit: For the record, I am not a member of PETA nor an activist of any sort. I do not however eat any meat, fish, poultry or eggs.

I hope this is not a thread hijack. I believe that it is relevant to the concerns over cruel practices involved in racing greyhounds.

Wow, I can't even watch a happy animal movie without tears in my eyes. We have a local horse track and one day I would like to attend a race just to see what it is like. From what I understand, these horses are treated like gold and are worth quite a bit of money.

It is a shame that greyhounds are considered disposable. They are very loving, good pets.

Only the successful horses are treated well. As are only successful greyhounds.