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Well, a problem is not with Ygerna, but with Damien. He was born without any memory of the past, started from a blank slate. He was raised by good guys, and he had no inclination to destroy the world. If at some point Ygerna had asked him to go dark side, it would have been his choice, and even then he wouldn't have gone all evil, destroying everybody and everything. Damien is a pretty rational guy, and starting a rampage without strong motivation is totally irrational. Even in case he had chosen evil, I doubt the war would have been that bloody and destructive. Revenge is much more destructive desire, then anything else. By executing Ygerna Divine did not leave Damien a choice - the guy loved her, and as any normal guy wanted to avenge her death. So all gratuitous cruelty that came out of this war is on Divine, and not on Damien. I personally am not an incarnation of evil (at least I hope so), but I would react exactly as Damien in similar circumstances.

not true, it all depends on the person, if tyour someone that is enclind to forgive rather than seek revenge you will do so regardless of the motivations.

if your a good person & choose to forgive your father for killing your lover regardless of the reason you will do so. You would know deep down that your loved one would not want you to turn into the opposite of what you are or you would no longer be the person thay fell for to begin with.

If your the type of person that would choose revenge on the other hand then you would do it regardless Damians actions just proved that no matte how hard you try to quell it evil like good can't be defeated that easy.

The only thing the Divine is guilty of is not talking to his son & explaining the reason why it had to be & if you can't see that you are not just a fool your Naieve.

The weaker the mind the easyer it is to get them 2 see reason, Ygerna has a strong mind & was under the misguided impretion that awakening the slumbering demon in Damian was the right thing to do. No amount of talking or reasoning would have made her change her mind. When people of strong will & mind oppose eachother like that a clash is inevitable.

The only way to win is to crush your opposition in whatever way possible even the good guys have to fight for there belifes, morals & honor.

Some people can be reasoned with others can't & when diplomacy failes the only choice left is war.The truth of the matter is that there is no such thing as the right choice coz even the right choice can be a bad one.

By executing Ygerna the Divine envoked Damians wrath this is true, But had Ygerna been alowed to live & continue Damians wrath would have been a lot more devestating than it was.

If Damian was'nt the evil a** he is then after getting revenge on the one that killed his love explain why he continued his campain to make the rest of Riverlon suffer for the actions of the Divine.

Simple becuse he is the incarnation of the demon of Chaos & all Chaos knows is how to create more chaos. What the Divine did stopped Riverlon from being destroyed & gave it a chance had he not done what he did then there would be no Riverlon left for are Dragon Knight to save simple as that.

Don't get me wrong if it were possible to solve everything through reason that would be good & war would be a thing of the past.

The sad truth of the matter is though that war is part of are nature no matter how you try to deny it, nature is crul & kind. Are actions are what difine us, the only mistake the Divine made other than not talking with his son was to let him live to begin with. Yegernas death was a necisery evil
for the greater good & inorder to ensure the greater good sometimes it means you must be crul.

Well, if to think about it, it is hard to call Divine and Co good guys. They all are really trigger-happy bastards, ready to kill crowds of people for some imagined greater good. Why on earth did the slayers exterminate all of the dragon knoghts? Only one was guilty of some crime (and it wasn't a murder of the Divine, bec. Divine was alive and well), and they decided to kill all of them? Looks like a full-blown genocide (or dragoncide) to me. Even when one of their own, without any fault, becomes a dragon knight by accident, they instantly choose to kill him on a spot. And, you know, may be I am old-fashioned, but good people do not do genocides, and do not kill their comrades in arms. So after some thinking I decided that I am with Damien on this one - these murderous bastards in Aleroth, who exterminate people with no mercy, should be destroyed. LONG LIVE DAMIEN!!! DEATH TO LUCIEN!!!

no one mentioned the dragon slayers & yes what thay did was wrong exterminating the entire race for the actions of one was wrong. Lucian however did not exterminate all for the actions of one he killed the one responcable he did'nt extend his wrath to people that had no relivance to the situation ulike Damian. Who continued his genocidal campain even after defeating his foster father, as for the slayers well thay are already servents of Damian even if thay don't realise it.

It was damian that started the rumour that the Dragon knights killed the Divine when that was a lie the chaos Demon in him would have been more of a threat had The Divine not killed Ygerna simple as that.

There be the point Damian is the incarnation of chaos & he continuse to bring chaos where ever he go's. If you say that killing Yegerna was a mistake then theres no hope for you as you refuse to give any to yourself just like Yegerna. The Black ring enslaved races destroyed villages of people that had nothing to do with the conflict.

All the Divine did was cut off the head (littraly) of the source of the problem not take out his wrath on inosante people. Following in Damians path makes you selfish like Damian Ygerna & the Slayers, You certainley arn't a dragon knight with that attitude.

As for the people well yes originally thay beleived the Dragons to be responsable but people on a whole as stupid & most can't handle the truth because it hurts. Damian is selfish & corrupt yes Lucian may have felt a bit of regret knowing Damian loved Ygerna but the fact still remains that what Lucian did was right.

The Slayers are indeed no better than Damian & the Divine never wanted them to take it that far as he said he shouted out so many times but no one could hear him.

Damian was the one responcable & like I said the weak minded can be reasoned with if there is the slightest doubt in there mind that there actions are wrong then reason can be achived.

However a strong mind that is certain of there actions can never be reasoned with, A teacher is only a teacher is the studant is willing to learn.

Actually, it is all the way around. You need a strong mind in order to see reasons and follow through arguments. Week-minded people are unable to see the reason, unable to learn and in general are not touched by the light of reason. As they say here, some people learn on their own mistakes, some - on others' mistakes, and some urinate on electric fence.

Acting against any reason is not being strong-minded, it is being totally irrational. People who can negotiate and achieve compromisses are not week-minded. Shouldn't be confused with people committed to the cause and loyal to some idea. This is about psychology, not intellegence.

Ygerna was commited to her cause, bec. she was raised this way, but it does not mean that she acted against any reason. She simply had reasons not to give up, and chose a death as a mortyr for the cause, which is always a rather great thig to do. She is strong-willed, it's for sure. All in all, I am much more simpathetic with bad guys (Damien and Ygerna) then with good guys.

& that it exactley what ygerna & damian both did if Damian was capable to see reason then he would never have gone all out your all being punish coz my farther kill my love.

Regardless of wether you think a strong mind is one capable to see reason or not the fact remains Damian nor Ygerna saw & nether do you. Ygerna had to be taken out of the picture for their to be a picture left, as for strong minded well frankley a strong mind is one that reaches the conclusion on there own so that thay are able to guide the ones that can't get there without it. A strong mind is a leader not a follower, a strong mind is a confident mind one that has belif in themselfs & there actions wether there inclined to reason or not. Reason can only be achived if there person in question is open to it, not being open to one method of reason does'nt make you weak of mind it just means your closed minded is all. Reason comes in all shapes & sizes selfless & selfish both are reason to someone & it is not what makes you weak or strong it's the strength in you belif that your right your confidance your determination there are many factors in that of the mind.

To say that someone is weak minded coz there not open to you method of reason is an arrogant & closed minded point of veiw. nothing in this world is one thing alone reason is both selfless & selfish. Truth brings both Joy & pain Love can bring great happyness but it can also drive you crazy, but thats enough for now it's obvious your mind is way to closed to see TRUTH through the illusion you've shrouded yourself in. You still have a lot to learn it seems but I'm not going to waste my breath spelling it out for you. Knowlage can be taught wisdom has to be gained from expiriance & the willingness to learn from it. being knowlagable does'nt make you inteligent the wisdom to use the knowlage you've learned is what makes someone intellagent.

That may sound harsh but I won't appologise for it the truth always hurts at first but in the long run your always better off for it

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I think that the Divine should have shown baby Damian the mercy he gave Ygerna. But then again, that would mean no sequels...

agreed well said stabby

Arguing semantics and religion ... its a game deal with it or dont play.

To clear things up, there was 2 things DND "religion" asks you to do, tithe and be spiritual, prayer is optional. Keep your real world religion and those debates to yourselves and just play the game.