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#446601 03/07/11 05:04 PM
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Most annoying fight in video game history. Nothing has ever been worse than this. You couldnt possibly make it worse. Small room with very limited space to move, check. Multiple bad guys and obstacles preventing you from moving, check. Cutscene/interaction required to go through each and every attempt at this, check. Ridiculous amounts of damage killing you in short order, check. Fun thrown out the window, check!

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I found the best way to win is toggling dragon shield and just focus on Zagan with dragon sphere/dragon breath.

When Zagan's dead, fly out quickly to the cavern opening and return to human shape. It's not necessary to kill all enemies.

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If the cutscene bothers you, I think it's possible to save AFTER transforming. Not 100% sure, but maybe.

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Nothing has ever been worse than this.
Play Psychonauts (great game) and wait until you get to the last level. evil


If you head to the exit passage right away (look for a blue light near the top of the cavern), where you will automatically transform back into human form, and can then save and not have to redo the cutscene if you die. From there you can jump back into the cavern, attack and retreat repeatedly. While healing in human form, you can enabling target lock (on the Xbox hold the left trigger down); I was able to kill several demons with my bow that way, after they flew up to the passage (though if they don't stay close very long they can easily fly out of range).

Being a higher level helps a bit. Lowering the difficulty setting might help, though not a lot in this case.

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Zagan himself wasn't terribly difficult to defeat [at level 25], but the rest of the opponents in there were a pain. It would be easy with more space, but if you loose track of where you are going or bump into something and stop moving, that is likely to prove fatal. I tried repeatedly heading to the exit cave to transform back to human, but returning for hit and run attacks wasn't doing damage fast enough (by the time I finished the transformation animation there could be 2 or 3 opponents shooting at me, and maybe 1 or 2 casting Dragon Sphere). I tried making a couple runs at the nest tower, but the first time I stayed too long finishing it off with Dragon Breath, and died shortly after it did. The second run I broke away sooner, but got caught up on something and couldn't move for a second, so I died.
I reloaded my save before triggering the cutscene with Zagan, and will go back later to finish everyone off.
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[At level 35] it was easier, but still a bit of a pain. I used pretty much the same technique as before, concentrating on getting the number of flying opponents down first, to allow a run at a nest. Apparently clearing the fortresses was good practice, as I rarely got hung up on obstructions, etc. I still had a bit of a problem trying to target specific opponents, where pausing the using the right stick could, for example, cycle between demons above me, when I was flying directly towards a nest (and was a lot closer to the nest than the demons). In these cases unpausing and getting a little closer would generally allow me to target what I wanted, though the delay could help my opponents.
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For the opponents in Zagan's cave, I seemed to make faster progress getting a Firesphere off and then returning to the exit passage right away, healing when necessary (usually the case, since often there was an attack directed at me before I finished transforming), and then jumping back into the cavern. Trying to fly around in such a small space and get a few attacks in was more trouble than help (though I didn't do much of that when I went back at the higher level; just attacks of opportunity returning from going after the nests).

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I eventually got it, but not before I contemplated the "uninstall the game" option due to it miserably failing at continuing to provide me entertainment at that point. Getting my dragon stuck every 2 feet on something was just impossibly frustrating. Eventually I just dashed back and forth until I managed to get under the damned nests and destroyed them. Proceeded to dash around spamming heals/shields/potions all the while taking pot shots at all the stupidity in that cavern till I had won.

Dragons + stuff that gets you stuck + tiny cavern = FAIL

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Zagan is imo a little bit too hard to defeat (on lowest difficulty too!), knowing you must kill him in a limited space to move !
If the cave is bigger with more space I think is easier (or make Zagan not so hard).

I saved about 10 times while killing Zagan ... so you can save during this battle wink


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Originally Posted by Annex
Most annoying fight in video game history. Nothing has ever been worse than this. You couldnt possibly make it worse. Small room with very limited space to move, check. Multiple bad guys and obstacles preventing you from moving, check. Cutscene/interaction required to go through each and every attempt at this, check. Ridiculous amounts of damage killing you in short order, check. Fun thrown out the window, check!


Originally Posted by Lancet
If the cutscene bothers you, I think it's possible to save AFTER transforming. Not 100% sure, but maybe.


Lancet: well you can save after the cutscene, but if you are not a high enough level (22 or lower) then you will be defeated time after time.

annex: you can move around but first go up then you can move around.
first be very fast to kill the nest/dais towers before they spawn level 20+ enemy's and make you task quite difficult.

second: let zagan swollow his words in demon blood;)

use dragonshield to to make it a little easier for yourself.

to make a comment: wait until your are ready to do the flying fortresses, in there enemy's can easy do 100+ damage especialy rangers!!!!!! so with 4 or more of them you see your death very quick


first: did you read the mind of Beatrice before going into wellcave??? doing this you get 4 malachite gems instead of two.
second: on the left side of the rocks just before you battle Zagan, there are two malachite ore veins. it's hard to get to them without triggering the cutscene, so save your game before attempting it. wink


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