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#480693 30/01/14 10:45 PM
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Hey Guys,

I might be being a little silly here but I can't get out of the Shelter Plane no matter how much I try.

I have tried using the way point but I cant get through it.... frown

Any ideas?

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Did you talk to Zixzax again and get the teleporter pyramid? Do you get a message when you click on the exit waypoint in the observatory? Can you use the waypoint in the main section to go to the hall of heroes and back?

Are you dragging around a dead party member, in need of resurrecting?

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Originally Posted by Raze

Did you talk to Zixzax again and get the teleporter pyramid? Do you get a message when you click on the exit waypoint in the observatory? Can you use the waypoint in the main section to go to the hall of heroes and back?

Are you dragging around a dead party member, in need of resurrecting?


Me and my friend just encountered this problem as well.
and here is the answers to your questions.

"Did you talk to Zixzax again and get the teleporter pyramid"
- No. When we talk to him again he just gives us the same talk and options as in the main chamber before going to the observatory.

"Do you get a message when you click on the exit waypoint in the observatory?"
- No. we are unable to interact with the waypoint.

"Can you use the waypoint in the main section to go to the hall of heroes and back?"
- Yes. That works just fine.

"Are you dragging around a dead party member, in need of resurrecting?"
- no. all party members are alive.

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Problem was that we didnt click on any of the way point portals before going to the Shelter Plane which meant that we couldnt use the portal to get out lol... so we had to load it up before hand... I personally think that this should be raised as a bug as I didnt realise that you had to click on them or get stuck in limbo FOREVER! lol

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We used waypoint portals before going to the shelter plane.

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Problem was that we didnt click on any of the way point portals before going to the Shelter Plane which meant that we couldnt use the portal to get out lol... so we had to load it up before hand... I personally think that this should be raised as a bug as I didnt realise that you had to click on them or get stuck in limbo FOREVER! lol

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I would think the game should have one waypoint active, even if you didn't use them before (I think discovering one should be enough... I'll test that). It is definitely a bug if it doesn't.

EDIT: Even if you don't discover or use any waypoints before getting to the homestead, the Cyseal North Gate will (normally) be listed and usable.
In the new game I started to check that Zixzax skipped the welcome speech, though, so I may have to double check...
EDIT2: Repeated test after renaming the My Documents D:OS folder (so noting could be carried over from existing saves) and there was no problem with the dialog or using the waypoint to leave the homestead; the north gate waypoint is listed regardless.


Does Zixzax go through the whole welcome speech each time you talk to him?
In the observatory he should start off with "You're still here, are you?". Whether you talk to him or not, clicking on the waypoint for the first time should start another conversation where he begins with "Another quick word before you leave, Unknown Ones!", and after going through that the waypoint list shows up with any waypoints that you have found.

Did you go through all the conversation options with Zixzax?

What happens if you fire your companions and then try the waypoint? If the waypoint list comes up you may get an error selecting a destination that you can not go to the homestead while in dialogue, until you go to the hall of heroes and re-hire the companions (east side of the main room, between a couple of the statues).

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If you don't click on the waypoint, it doesn't register that you've even discovered it, even though you might have gotten the exploration bonus for it. I've had this problem too, but for a different thing. I was using the waypoint at the standing stones and found out that I hadn't actually 'activated' the one in cyseal. So, long boring trek back to town smirk

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In the case of the observatory waypoint, though, the Cyseal North Gate should always be available. Whatever the cause of the waypoint not activating, it isn't missing previous waypoints in the game.

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Originally Posted by Raze

Does Zixzax go through the whole welcome speech each time you talk to him?
In the observatory he should start off with "You're still here, are you?". Whether you talk to him or not, clicking on the waypoint for the first time should start another conversation where he begins with "Another quick word before you leave, Unknown Ones!", and after going through that the waypoint list shows up with any waypoints that you have found.


Zixzax starts out with "You're still here, are you?" when we talk to him again, and he did say the moment we went into the observatory as well. But we are unable to interact with the waypoint and the second part of the dialogue never happens.
We just get to ask him about what stones we are supposed to look for, How we are influencing the end of time, how I am altering the shelter plane exactly, Tell me a bit more about yourself, I will take my leave.

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Did you go through all the conversation options with Zixzax?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Raze

What happens if you fire your companions and then try the waypoint?

Nothing changes. We are still unable to interact with the waypoint and Zixzax says the same things.

Edit: Now when we talk to him the first time after loading and we select the option "I will take my leave." the female character gets +1 Romantic and the male one gets +1 "Pragmatic"

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When you first get to the homestead Zixzax should start with a 'welcome to the Homestead' monologue where he describes the Tapestry of Time and how your interaction with a rare type of stone had repaired part of the damage, and tasks you with finding more of those stones. Your characters get a dual dialog to accept or not (though that is an obedient/independent bonus).

I've had the 'welcome' speech skipped before, though, without any problem with the exit portal. The bonuses triggering the first conversation after loading can happen in other circumstances, as well.

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I had this problem as well. Also zixzax never gave me a teleporter pyramid. It could be worth noting that I stole the other teleporter pyramid from cecil's house before meeting zixzax.

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Originally Posted by Skyhawk02
I had this problem as well. Also zixzax never gave me a teleporter pyramid. It could be worth noting that I stole the other teleporter pyramid from cecil's house before meeting zixzax.


That's probably why. Obviously, you shouldn't be able to get in there, but try not to do that next time.

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People have mentioned getting that teleporter first, though, and it just not working until they got the one from Zixzax.

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Hello, there a way to unstuck this?

i still can't leave the shelter plan too frown

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I was going to ask if you did something or missed something and got yourself stuck, so I tried to deliberately get myself stuck.

First, I tried using Phoenix Dive to get the second pyramid before the first, but all that happened was that Zixzax just gave me the first one anyway. I didn't get stuck.

Second, I deliberately avoided all the waypoints before entering the Shelter Plane, but one was unlocked for me anyway. I didn't get stuck.

So unfortunately, I don't know the cause of why you got stuck, and can't offer suggestions of how to get out. Unless... did you use the button with one of your party members dead? I've heard that you can get stuck that way.

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Glad I read this, I have yet to actually click on any of the portal things.

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Just to make sure it's not a matter of being lost, the exit from the Shelter plane is the waypoint at the far end in the Observatory. In the main room, only the ones to the Hall of Heroes and Observatory go anywhere right now.


Originally Posted by Rellin
Glad I read this, I have yet to actually click on any of the portal things.


The waypoints? If you get close enough to trigger the "Waypoint found" message, it's automatically added to your waypoint list. No clicking required!


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I'd like to mention that I too ran into this issue last night. Like Epsynus, I was playing Co-Op, everyone in the party was alive, dismissing party members did nothing, and every time I talked to Zixzax we got the first conversation.

Events that may or may not have influenced it... [I have absolutely no idea, but I'm listing what I can think of that might be related]

-- We discovered three waypoints (Initial, Docks, and North Cyseal)
-- We retreated from battle before we'd discovered Zixzax, re-appearing at a waypoint (I don't recall which one)
-- We utilized waypoint travel a few times
-- We came across two special stones before running into Zixzax -- each time we came across a stone, only one party member was on the scene [not sure if this would affect anything]
-- I discovered that if you enter Cecil's living area it gives you exploration XP, and if you have your henchmen stealth as well and they follow you into/out of the room every time they enter the party gets another set of exploration XP ((I doubt this has anything to do with it, but it is also a bug)) -> We did not take the teleportation pyramid, but we did see it in the other room.
-- After failing to utilize the waypoint, I tried using Phoenix Dive to get on the other side of the waypoint in case it was an issue with facing, but given that the majority appear to have no issue, and it didn't help, I don't think that was the problem.
-- We had not used up all of our points from leveling up.


When we first spoke with Zixzax, one party member was elsewhere in town. He said to find the other one before he could teleport us, and the other player was the one who spoke to him the second time. Upon entering, however, he continued the conversation with the player that first spoke with him.

He disappeared and after we spoke with the Weaver, looted the Hall of Heroes of all of its golden tableware, and examined the rest of the main lobby, we went to the Observatory to meet with Zixzax and leave. We spoke to him again, he said the same things he'd said when we first entered, and then tried to use the waypoint... Nothing happened.

That was when I tried phoenix diving to the other side, saving and reloading, as well as saving, having my co-op partner quit, reloading, and trying to leave in single-player. I tried dismissing my party members, killing eachother, attacking Zixzax [didn't go well]... Nothing worked.

We called it a night, and I intend to start a fresh game today, but in singleplayer, and rush through to the Sheltered Plane, make sure it lets me leave in that game, and then invite my friend to join afterwards.


Hopefully something I said will help. If more detail is needed on certain points I can try to elaborate.

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At least in single player, finding one or both star stones with only one main character doesn't cause any problems.

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found a way to leave, i killed Zixzax and the waypoint got unlocked...

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If you save the game in Cyseal and re-enter the homestead, hopefully Zixzax will respawn. There is an upgrade you can make to the observatory, which isn't a big deal if you miss, but it might still spawn even if Zixzax is dead.

EDIT: He didn't automatically respawn when I killed him, left and re-entered. I was able to use a Resurrect scroll on him though. After that he would only talk in scripted events (clicking on the exit waypoint for the first time, and giving a choice on upgrading the observatory the next time you re-enter the homestead).

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