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cool it bane. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

C++ is script-driven & NWN toolset is a different beast. different languages will have different ways in handling & construct. knowing how to repair an airplane doesn't make u a good test pilot.

Bwahahaha. I'm sorry, but I can run Morrowind on my machine, and it flies like a dream. By the way, how does anyone's system "hang"? Hang from what? Or hang whom?



That's because DD is isometric 2D, and looks fine enough for what it is. NWN is 3D. Compare it to the games released in the same period. Laugh.



No, honey, I don't look for graphics. What I look for is something that isn't an eyesore. Hell, I love Lionheart's graphics. I still like the pre-rendered graphics from the IE games. I think ToEE's graphics are beautiful, barring the slightly choppy character models. IMO, if you can't develop a good 3D engine, you should stick to 2D.



Hi, reading comprehension skill enhancement time.

Where did I say I can't run the Aurora Engine toolset? I said that I could grope my way around the scripting, which indicates that I can, get this, run the toolset. It's the number of people that can't that is a factor. (Of course, there's the lovely script generator.)

Sorry. I'm not putting NWN on a pedestal and worship it. Because I don't feel like deluding myself.

I liked the NWN graphics, though I was dissatified with some parts of the game play. I can't say anything about crashes or gliches on my old and on my new PC. It ran smooth - and the addon was an improvement to the game.

Maybe different taste and different approach, I don't compare a game to another, but take it as it is and play if I feel the interest to continue: did so in NWN - played single, no toolset, no demo.
Kiya

One thing more to add...

There are games with really awful graphics. But they are good enough that I can ignore the quality, or lack thereof, of the visuals. Case in point: Final Fantasy 7. On the PC, the graphics are pixelated. And I mean really, really pixelated. Yet I had a lot of fun with it, despite the pixels and the linearity of plotline and the horrible English and the occasionally awkward interface.

Ya lets compare NWN to other games graphically and it stands up very well to anything with maybe the exception of Morrowind.You sit there and rip the graphics yet you dont say what you dont like about it.Even Morrowind in a sense has inferior graphics to NWN for starters the charecter models in Morrowind are very distorted and blocky,and Morrowinds whole game world looks very similar and so does every single dungeon.The textures are all the same,and with there being so many dungeons in Morrowind its hard to tell if you have been in a dungeon before or not because they all look exactly the same.Dont get me wrong i really enjoyed Morrowind but did become boring because nomatter where i went it all looked strikingly simlilar.I dont understand why u call NWN an eyesore you must be blind dude.there is nothing wrong at all with the graphics.If u want to see crappy graphics get Arcanum then tell me how crappy NWN graphics are.

Anybody that knows c++ and cant figure out the toolset easy enough doesnt know c++ at all end of story

I doubt that she is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Yeah, I'm a dudette. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Morrowind? Yes, some graphics are repetitive. Like the dungeons and the caves. But compare to NWN? Every city looks the same, every forest looks the same, every rural area looks the same, every dungeon looks the same, every city interior looks the same. Well, NWN's got Morrowind beaten in repetitiveness department by miles and miles. Cities in Morrowind certainly have unique looks. Don't tell me they don't. (And the outdoor areas have a lot of variety, too.)

NWN's graphics are also inferior to that of Dungeon Siege.

What's wrong with NWN?

- Radial menu. Why? Why? Why? Is there no god? It's slightly better than ToEE's, but still.
- Henchman AI. Sucks, sucks, and sucks some more. Plus the fact that you can only have one henchman. But maybe that's a blessing. I'd have gone insane if I had to endure more stupid AI in the party.
- The OC was promised to be the ilkes of BG, but delivers little of that. There are some quests that are deeper than your average RPG (*cough*DungeonSiege*cough*), but the whole thing doesn't live up to Bioware's reputation. The story is awful and predictable, the NPCs annoying and unlikeable, etc. I saw the "plot twists" -- *snickers* -- from miles away. Heck, even the music and voiceacting grate at times. *pines for Elegia Eternum*

hey, planescape: torment is listed on the top 25 most UNDERrated games.

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bane, i am my witness when i said that knowing C++ is one thing & dabbling with the NWN toolset is another. i have tried it. maybe i'm all thumbs with the toolset. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

still, i hope improvements will be made to make the franchise better. maybe not for SoU or even HoU, but for the future.

& please don't call anyone blind or stupid or things like. if u're joking, please put a smilie to let the person know that it's just a joke, ok? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

keep on posting, bud.

Well that's a point. The AI did suck big time. The only way you could decently play with them is to turn the AI off. Which puts them on an equal level as I played with party members in other RPGs. Those scripts never did what I wanted.

But to refer to Dungeon Siege as an average RPG, that is an overstatement. There wasn't much RPG in that game.

Untrue.

The henchmen still cast spells on their own, among other things. I want complete control over them, please, not this scripted crap that passes for AI.

Well it has been a while since I played NWN, but I guess you are right. Come to think of it, what I did was when I had a spellcaster with me is that I let them hold their position away from a fight and only called them in when I needed them.

Sometimes I though the spellcasters ultimate goal was to fire all the spells they had in the shortest amount of time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Henchman who could lockpick were stupid also. The only henchman who were remotely usable in my opinion were the plain fighters, eventhough they did run to places at times they shouldn't.

Ya Dungeon siege now theres a game that should have never been made.DS is more an adventure game then rpg.Ive also said in an earlier post that where NWN shines is not in the single player category but in the multiplayer department.As far as the single player game goes henchman were not needed as the game can be completed by yourself and your whining about only having 1 charecter to control well let me ask you how many charecters did you control in Divine Divinity?? 1 i thought so.Its funny anyone whos played both the multi and single player can tell that NWN was created for the multiplayer aspect not singleplayer.Single player is good to learn charecter build before you take it online.But i didnt like the sp that much myself.Also have you even played NWN online??? Play it online then tell me how repetetive the worlds are.Every server ive gone in looks remarkably different then the last.And as far as you saying Morrowind has more a variety of texures and so forth then NWN is well really funny.The only thing that distinquishes the towns is the placement of buildings in each town or every town looks the same.Im not bashing Morrowind its one of the top 5 games ever made imo, but im not going to sit here and say everything looks different in it, because it doesnt and thats why i got sick of playing it period.Yet NWN stays on my harddrive because of the variety.I dont ever remember anything ever coming out saying NWN was going to be just like BG its just people like you think because its made from the same developer that it should be just like BG.Then again if it was alot like BG you would probably bitch that it was to similiar to BG and it doesnt feel fresh.BG is dead and gone now and there have been rpg,s since then that our superior to BG.

Well, that's mature.



I'm discussing graphics here, not RP quality, when mentioning DS.



Please. Bioware has a reputation after the making of BG series. Most people expected NWN to have equally good NPC interaction. DD is another beast entirely. The combat plays like Diablo. So I didn't come in expecting interaction/dialogue the likes of BG.



It is still repetitive. Sorry. The most you can do is making different lightning. The textures are the same. The tilesets are the same. Unless you're talking about hakpacks, which are irrelevant, because it's not part of the official package.



Oh, really? Then Balmora and Vivec must look exactly the same! *rolls eyes* And you said I'm blind...



My dear, dear boy -- have you ever read some of the older interviews with Bioware, before NWN was released? Believe me, honey, I know what I'm talking about.



Tell that to the (very much active) modding communities, as well as the people who have replayed BG2 for the umpteenth time.

Gods, I'm getting tired of this unreasoning, fanboyish approach. ("NWN roxxor! Put it on the pedestal! Worship it! Love it! If you don't, then you are stupid and wrong and blind!")

By the way, Bane, mind formatting your post a little? Here, I'll introduce you to a friend. His name is Paragraph. He makes things a lot more readable. He is a very nice gentleman.

In the most underrated list: Grim Fandango - I couldn't agree more! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> You can't call yourself an adventure fan if you haven't played this one!

Well, I had much fun while playing Grim Fandango, but somehow I'm stuck. Chowchilla Charlie *never* give me an option to get this kind of passport from him ... don't know why ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

On the original topic, to rip off Penny Arcade:

A site that overhypes games making an article about overhyped games

Did he mention his stolen briefcase yet? Find it, and you'll get your union card <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> (if that's the card you're talking about <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> )

Get hooked on phonics it works!!!! You havent any clue what you are talking about.This is why very few women are in the video game industry they have no understanding of what a good game is.You say NWN is hack and slash and your claiming BG wasnt??? Give me a break.

Like i have said before you want to bitch about graphics go buy Arcanum you troll.You obviously havent played it online so quit talking about something you dont know.I can name many rpg,s that tore up BG series all to hell.

1.Planescape Torment
2.Fallout 1
3.Fallot 2
4.Arcanum even with crappy graphics was better then BG
5.Wizadry 8,combat was somewhat slow but everything else top notch
6.Morrowind repetitive graphics but wins for open endiness
7.Gothic same as Morrowind

Another thing that cracks me up is you say how great BG is and BG graphics are worse then NWN.Chick you need to make up your mind whats good and whats not.
I wasnt downing anyone but since you wanna start doing that then i i guess ill sink to your level.I never called anyone stupid either.

There was never anything published saying NWN was going to be like BG you are dillusional,even the NWN manual says this is a whole new experience then BG and should not be mistaken for trying to be like BG.It does have alot of BG traits in them and if you cant see that then yessssssss you are blind

And all this over a game. I wonder what the two of you would do if it was over something very important.