Larian Studios Forums Divinity - Original Sin Divinity - Original Sin - General Copyright Infringement on Youtube (Full Soundtrack

To Whom it May Concern:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/230230/discussions/0/34093781598666211/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01q89nk6TEk

I didn't know where to post this other than to address Larian directly.


It's an FYI, should someone care to do something about it.

Otherwise, Cheers.

I doubt Larian nor Kirill would mind, since Kirill has these soundtracks for download, free of charge, from his website.

http://www.kirillpokrovsky.com/

While you're there, sign his guestbook, telling him he's awesome! (Because, damn, he is.)

I've signed his book before. He is awesome!
Still, it is his choice to allow the quality MP3s from his site and a different matter some Joe Smoe putting it up on Youtube. It also conflicts with the video policy I read but hey it's up to him and Larian --

I clicked on the YouTube link to see if it was monetized or not. It is monetized.

So it's not "is Kirill charging for his music or not?" It's "is Kirill cool with someone else making money off of hosting his music or not?" These are two very different questions. If I was him, I wouldn't be cool with it, but only he can really answer the latter of those questions.

Until then I urge you to visit the YouTube linked in Kirill's personal website :
"Official" Divinity Original Sin Soundtrack YouTube Video

Hmm, I didn't realize that, and now that I know, I'm really appalled by it.
Kirill sharing his work with everyone for free and some piece of slimey filth is making money with it. -_-

Youtube sometimes takes initiative to block content it thinks is infringing. Anyone who's spent a lot of time listening or composing music in the ReMixing community knows of this headache. Though it is possible Kirill did make a complaint about it. I don't know if he gets paid any extra money for CD sales of the soundtrack or not.

After a while youtube will turn a blind eye and the music will stay up forever like with the previous soundtracks.

+1 That is indeed very uncool.

So GamezGlitchz is basically making money with that Video?

I think you can report the video directly on YouTube for copyright infringement, can't you? At least there is a "report" button which however requires a youtube user account (which I do not have). Has anyone with a user account already done it?

Makes sense since the same person is doing a lot of advertising for his walkthrough videos in another thread.

I have decided to make this an open letter since it might concern other persons as well. I have also sent a PM to GamezGlitchz and asked him to read this thread.


Open letter to GamezGlitchz

As you can see reading this thread, a lot of people react to your behavior of creating a video of the soundtrack of this game. The reason is that they believe you are earning money for every visit you get on your YouTube video. I do not know how this works, but if it is true that you earn money for publishing the music created by somebody else (in this case Kirill), that is in my opinion a criminal act.

There is a difference in earning money on something you have created yourself. That is ok. But earning money on the work of somebody else is not. Even if the work of the other person is offered for free. When somebody offers something for free it means that we can use it privately with no restrictions. If it is used commercial, it is a whole different story. In those cases the owner of the creation must give his/her accept that his/her work is going to be used for somebody else to earn money. Normally, a formal agreement is signed where both parties share the income in some way.

If you are earning money on this video with Kirill's music, you are a thief. Here is what I want you to do: Remove the video from YouTube and send an apology to Kirill and probably also to Larian.

Best regards
ivra


PS: As to reporting the video on YouTube, please wait until GamezGlitchz has had a chance to correct his mistake.

Well how much of that soundtrack is original anyway? I keep hearing lines of music that I know I've heard elsewhere, like music from the Terminator 2 movie. If I keep digging I'm sure I can identify several more, but I just really don't care. But since some of this music is borrowed anyway there may not be much reason for trying to protect it.

No, unfortunately -- you have to be the owner of the content. I did flag the post on Steam (not holding breath).

Glad to see some people care...it's awful quiet on Steam. People will rant if you dare criticize anything about the game, (nothing is perfect - or some just find it difficult) but I suppose taking advantage of Kirill/Larian's goodwill just isn't important there. :-/

P.S. The video policy sticky here explains all and is quite liberal.

Updated my first post in this thread.

That guy is a self-publicist as you can easily see how he or she is posting his or her "crap" on this forum, on steam and gamefaqs. I still think he or she is just seeking for attention and wasnｴt aware that he or she might commit some copyright infringement, that is ofc no excuse.

I explained to him about copyright, with references. He has no excuse now to leave it up until he investigates the matter or as he says, (paraphrased) "waits for a response from Larian," now that he was compelled to write them.

Not to mention ignorance isn't a defense (legally) and copying a whole soundtrack and publishing it is ... lacking in common sense.

P.S. Nice change ScrotieMcB -- I didn't even know Kirill had a vid up there...all the less reason for it to be duplicated.

On the one hand, I've had my suspicions about this guy's intentions since the very first post I'd ever seen of his.

On the other hand, that's what they are: suspicions. We're not judge and jury here. It's not up to us to determine his guilt or mete out his punishment. This is really between GamezGlitchz and Kirill. We would need to wait for a statement from at least one of them, perhaps both, to really know what's going on. Perhaps he asked for Kirill's permission before posting the video; perhaps he didn't, but has since received it; perhaps Kirill's going to sue him. Who knows? Do you? Didn't think so.

No matter how I look at it, a public defaming of GamezGlitchz' character is not the appropriate course of action here. Even if it turns out he has done wrong, I'd like to hope that we're a better type of community, one which doesn't drag other's names through the mud even when they arguably deserve it. Raubrey was good to bring this concern to our attention, and concerned we should be, but a lynch mob we should not become.

Well, I imagine in terms of GamezGlitchz' posting history in general, it's also between him and the moderation staff. But I don't imagine any drastic action will be taken against such self-promotion.

That was never my intention. He said what he said on Steam, and hence is what he was judged for by me, but I aborted an argument and decided just to FYI the matter here.

I'm still passionate about copyright infringement as I've had it done to me a number of times and it cost me money and time. I also think it is bad for the industry. Whether he makes a dime or not, it sets a poor example as Google is usually so slow to act, more people do it by example and so on.

I just know how I'd feel if it were my music or my game.

P.S. That the music is free and Larian/Kirill is so cool about usage makes it all the more frustrating. But in the end, it is up to them to decide, I realize.

If I didn't make it clear enough in my previous post: You're cool, Raubrey, I'm just worried about some of the others. I honestly don't know copyright law that well, so I don't know if he should be taking it down in the meantime or not.

Ok, awesome! I thought you were not directing it at me but since I rarely post here (to my disadvantage) I didn't want anyone to think I was coming in to start a storm.

I hope to spend more time here, it is so much better than "elsewhere" ... just a bit less convenient.