Larian Studios Forums Divinity - Original Sin Divinity - Original Sin - General Are we ever going to get the DRM-FREE disc?

Considering that you broke your promise about it's timely release by 'updating' us by email saying that they would be getting sent out end of August beginning of September.. I'm really fucking surprised that that date turned out to be bullshit also.

Do you have any intention, ever, to cease tripping over yourselves regarding this release?

I honestly didn't think you'd have the brass balls to be playing fast and loose with the truth again this late in the day.. but, to my everlasting surprise, some people just don't seem to think that their promises are something to be kept to.

So Larian, considering that it's now nearly the end of September and still no disc, prey tell us what the fuck happened this time? What is the excuse for it being yet another month late.. and is there a date for it available that hasn't just been plucked from your arse?

Considering that you know it's late again, why haven't you issued another update (for what that's worth)?

You know something Larian, calling you on your shortcomings is getting rather predictable.

You're not a very happy person, are you wibble? More than 90% of your posts on this forum are complaint after complaint. In fact, your first post here is whining about D2, and it doesn't seem to end after that. If you dislike Larian so much, why do you keep supporting them?

Regarding the discs, if you'll recall, they just released a massive patch to include two more companions. Did you perchance consider that they wanted to include this patch in the DRM-free discs? Would you rather they sent them out without these two new companions patched in? And if they had done that, you'd have complained about that, as well.

Stuff gets delayed; innocent people starving and getting blown up.

First world problem mate. Do the mature thing and email Larian and ask.

Larian usually just issues a patch to strip all DRM after the game is out a good year.

What kind of problems are you having with DRM?

Is the DRM preventing you from playing the game or are you in fear of it spying on your computer activities?

Swen (the owner) isn't a fan of DRM and wants to ensure DRM is not an issue for any legitimate customers to play the game. Also, these forums have many players here that want you to get into the game. Please explain your DRM issues so we can help you.

He's referring to the non-Steam discs. Even though the game doesn't have DRM on it, he (and some others) threw a fit about Steam being a requirement for the disc, so there's supposed to be a second run of the discs without Steam.

They usually have a patch of some sort for this kind of thing down the road.

I see what the issue is, being a backer with the digital tier, I don't have a disc at all.

So the kickstarter FAQ says there will be no DRM, though this policy was update. The GOG version doesn't have DRM.

As for an answer, historically, Larian has always made it possible to install a DRM free version of the game from all existing media (disc/digital) that was sold. In this case, I'm guessing an installer program will eventually be released that when executed, will ask you to insert the disc and it will bypass all DRM requirements/prompts.


In wibbles defense:
Larian did fail to update their DRM policy on the kickstarter FAQ page.

In Larian's defense:
A lot happened since Kickstarter for them to decided on changing their DRM policy. Steam so far seems to be the most successful and least draconian of all DRM out there.

DRM free can still be purchased at http://www.gog.com/game/divinity_original_sin or from the Larian Vault (can get access from Larian.com and its at the top).

With digital downloads so popular, I'm not sure if a DRM free DVD will be released. An update to allow a DVD installation to bypass DRM would be more feasible. But this is me going off historical data, not the current business policy. I'm guessing the install would go like this.

1.) Download DRM-free installer for D:OS and run it. (when/if it is released)
2.) Installer will ask you to insert DVD.
3.) Installer will begin installing the game and bypass all DRM/Steam prompts.
4.) Game is now installed DRM free

Since all the previous games (not sure on Dragon Commander) are now DRM free, I'm expecting D:)S to become DRM free at some point. Swen has stated in his blog that for him to play games when he was really young, he got pirated versions. I don't remember if they were free or much cheaper, but he's not a big fan of DRM. Though he's also got a family to feed along with the other developers.

As Larian Studios is a business, we'll find out when the DRM update is released (if it will be) when they release it. We'll most likely have no advanced warning of this release. It will probably come out as an expected game update and that is when we will see in the notes that the update will strip all the DRM.

Actually, Lightning, the Steam version does not use DRM. It's simply a matter of definitions. Some people define Steam itself as the DRM, others see it as the distribution system, and the optional copy protection components as the DRM. Personally, I fall into the latter category, but I understand the argument of those who fall into the former. Steam was used on the discs simply as a means to update the game, as once it's installed it does not require Steam to operate.

Stop being such a self entitled, rude person and maybe someone will read what you have to say and give a crap. An attitude like yours gets you nowhere and does nothing to motivate anyone to help you.

Some time ago larian released a video, they still have boxes to send, but the people who bought it didn't give their adresses.

Have you checked that you filled your adress completely ?
I guess on larianvault, not sure as I have the digital version (+ a box version I bought at a local store).

Has somebody actually received his/her DRM free disk yet?

Because I haven't received it either. All the other physical stuff (Kickstarter box, t-shirt, etc.) has arrived so they certainly do have my address

Thanks for a reply that wasn't just a moan at me daring to complain. Yes all details are present and correct, it's not a postal issue, it's a Larian issue.

TO THE REST.

Really?

You think I'm unreasonable for INSISTING that Larian live up to the promises that got them funded in the first place.

You people really are drones aren't you.

Either way neither yours, nor anyone else's opinion matters in this, Larian WILL fulfil this, by hook or by crook. I'll be damned if I get a shitty little box with a shitty little map AND getting stiffed on the disc into the bargain, a combination of maybe one or two, but to be so shocked at the poor quality of EVERYTHING in my 'oh so special' backer's edition? It just shows what they thought of the backers.

FUCK THAT. No company pulls my chain and expects me to pay for the privilege. It was a personal matter for me to support them in the first place and I'm taking it as a personal matter that they think they can 'alter our deal' unilaterally.

Larian will live up to this, I'm not going anywhere, if you think I'm annoying, loud, obnoxious, abusive, et al. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

It's down to Larian to what happens next, but barring violent action, the sky is the limit for me, and I will shit on this forum day and night if I absolutely have to, a task that will be as much a pain in the ass for me to do as it will be for you to put up with.

Why would Larian make all of their 'good' customers and players put up with the actions of one 'unreasonable' person, when pleasing EVERYONE only means sticking to their own promise?

Looking at it coldly, and I don't care how rabid a fan of Larian you are, or how much you want to support them, do you not think that their unwillingness to address this is as unreasonable as you would consider my actions?

It doesn't matter anyway, I care for your opinions as much as you care for mine.

Larian I hope you've seen this, but I will get the disc I'm entitled to. You know the shaky ground you are on, you KNOW I will get this if I'm willing to push hard enough, and guess what?

Ready, willing and able.

If there are issues then TELL US, and I'm not even looking for a personal reply, just make it known. If it's off the table, then DUCK! If money is SO important a thing that it justifies failing to fulfil PROMISES MADE in favour of maximised efficiency of spending, that's how your accountant would put it, yes? Then you damn well better believe that my money is just as important to me.

this is awesome. Whereas i have no opinion on what you are entitled to (but think you should get what you are entitled to) I will be eagerly awaiting the resolution.

It would be highly amusing if they just delete your forum account, but also not cool at all. It would be highly amusing if they tell you to get stuffed or just ignore you to see how far you are willing to go (although again, not cool at all)

Since you cursed so much you are probably in violation of some forum EULA so they can do it whenever they want.

Would you hire a lawyer and sue to recover whatever fraction of the 50 bucks relates to the drm free disk? (or to recover your kickstarter funds - how much did you back if you don't mind me asking?)

Will you picket them? DDOS them? If they just ban you how will you get what you want? Will you join forces with other protest organizations?

I mean, you won't sue, it's not ecconomically reasonable unless you are Scrooge Mcduck with nothing to do (this would scare me) except rage about this.

Still, I live in HK where there is a similarly important protest going currently and I enjoy sticking it to the man and watching others stick it to the man.

DO YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING, SINGING THE SONG OF ANGRY MEN, IT IS THE MUSIC OF THE GAMERS WHO WILL NOT BE DRM'D AGAIN. etc etc

fight the power. good luck

The issue is not what you are or are not entitled to, nor what you believe you are or are not entitled to, nor is it even about you complaining. The issue is the form which you choose to express your complaints. Vulgarity and rudeness are completely unnecessary.

Wow, what an immature, tantrum throwing, drama queen you are.




Why indeed. Your account will get disabled. But, credit where credit is due. At least you demonstrate a droplet of personal insight by realising your proposed behaviour would be unreasonable.

I love the irony in your flawed logic though. You come on here waving and screaming like a complete kneejerk douche believing, so far correctly, that the maturity and ethical standards of Larian will protect you from a kneejerk douche response to just shut you down. Yet you are screaming about how "unethical" they are and how "poorly" you have been treated by this unscroupulously demonic, uncaring, money hungry, corporation.

You do realise the mere continued existence of your thread and user account is evidence of the complete opposite, and that you know, intellectually, your ridiculous immature dummy spit could ONLY exist if the opposite of what you are claiming is true?

Just a quick note, but if you look at other topics concerning related issues (like http://www.larian.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=555348#Post555348)

you see that they respond fairly quick
IF ONLY YOU'D BE POLITE...

Specifically for the DRM free DVDs, I mentioned in the kickstarter issues topic that there should be an update about them soon. The master has been sent to the company producing the DVDs, but I don't know how long production, packaging and shipping will take.

If someone hadn't recently posted, I wouldn't be inclined to bump this topic by replying to it (since I assume the OP would not appreciate the update). I would have just posted again in the kickstarter issues topic when there was an ETA, assuming there wasn't an official announcement, or tweet, etc, about it first.