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Hello,

I saw some excellent reviews, Gamespot even giving a 10. But then I read stuff about players with 40 - 50+ hours into the game, running into all sorts of bugs from act 2 up.

Is it worth buying this game now or should I better wait a few months till more bugs are solved?

Many thanks in advance.

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There is no "correct answer" to your question. It rather depends on your gaming style. Are you a connoissoir? Are you a casual player? Are you a stickler for details and everything has to be just right?
Are you an elite player?

Seen from my point - casual to average player - I think you should go for it.

The game is very entertaining.
The game is difficult, but luckily there are several playing levels you can choose from.

Some people refer to some of the bugs as "game breaking", and some probably are. If you want to achieve everything.
But if you can't finish a particular quest - so what? I can't finish any of Sebille's quests because I happened to kill her a couple of hours in (before I could recruit her). Did I stop and "rewind"? Nope.
I don't need to have finished "Each and Everything".
It's part of the gaming experience.
It does, however, give you a great incentive to replay the game - probably on a higher difficulty level.

So basically my advice is this:
To get everything out of DOS:2 you need to be really good.
Get the game and start on Explorer difficulty to get to grips with the mechanics of the game.

Once the next Big Patch is out you can restart with the skills to have a really great game.
(I suspect you will have enjoyed it even on lowest level)


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Originally Posted by Ayath The Loafer
There is no "correct answer" to your question. It rather depends on your gaming style. Are you a connoissoir? Are you a casual player? Are you a stickler for details and everything has to be just right?
Are you an elite player?

Seen from my point - casual to average player - I think you should go for it.

The game is very entertaining.
The game is difficult, but luckily there are several playing levels you can choose from.

Some people refer to some of the bugs as "game breaking", and some probably are. If you want to achieve everything.
But if you can't finish a particular quest - so what? I can't finish any of Sebille's quests because I happened to kill her a couple of hours in (before I could recruit her). Did I stop and "rewind"? Nope.
I don't need to have finished "Each and Everything".
It's part of the gaming experience.
It does, however, give you a great incentive to replay the game - probably on a higher difficulty level.

So basically my advice is this:
To get everything out of DOS:2 you need to be really good.
Get the game and start on Explorer difficulty to get to grips with the mechanics of the game.

Once the next Big Patch is out you can restart with the skills to have a really great game.
(I suspect you will have enjoyed it even on lowest level)



Thank you for the extensive answer. I am a casual player. So I will start at a lower level. But bugs always scare me... a lot if a single Google search gives massive hits on the subject and frustrated players. That's why I made this post.

I have waited before with buying bugged games till the dust had settled and a lot of problems were fixed hehe

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I would not recommend it, at the moment there are way to much small bugs and gamebreaking bugs.
Its most likely better to wait on the enhanced edition. For example I had one playthrough of 90 hours+, wich became unplayable. The savefiles were corrupted. Next playthrough I got the infamous loading crash bugs, wich meant I wasted another 40 hours+ playthrough. You can check the forum here and see there are loads of other people who have the same problems.

Now I am just sad, I paid good money for a broken game. You could be one of the lucky ones who does not get affected by any of these bugs though.

Also if you do get problems with any of these gamebreaking bugs, Larian Support is really bad. I have not seen them react to any forum post and the replies you get from email support is pretty terrible too. No help, no transparancy about when they will fix it, at most they will tell you to check all the obvious troubleshooting culprits, like drivers and such.

That's my two cents. I hope it helps.

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Originally Posted by Yuri Lowell
Also if you do get problems with any of these gamebreaking bugs, Larian Support is really bad. I have not seen them react to any forum post

Add these users to your Watched Users list: Larian_KVN, Larian_JB, Larian_Rimevan, and Tinkerer

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Originally Posted by Yuri Lowell
and the replies you get from email support is pretty terrible too.

Who uses e-mail support? There's a forum.

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No help, no transparancy about when they will fix it

That's just the nature of game development. No timelines is par for the course. But Patch 4 went out today with more than 500 fixes.

You want to see a game with no post-release support? Try Elex.


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As an average casual gamer i d strongly suggest to buy the game. I havent seen any of those gamereaking bugs myself and i enjoy the game. There are so many little hidden things that you can play the again and again and keep finding new things. If you are into turn based and into RPG games then go for it with no second thought. You can also go for the DOS 1 if you havent played. Game is similar and it will be cheaper so you ll get a good look on how the game is.

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Originally Posted by Yuri Lowell
I had one playthrough of 90 hours+, wich became unplayable. The savefiles were corrupted. Next playthrough I got the infamous loading crash bugs, wich meant I wasted another 40 hours+ playthrough. You can check the forum here and see there are loads of other people who have the same problems.


That is no fun at all. These are the things that scare me indeed. But if I understand you correctly, all savefiles are corrupted? It's not like you can load an older savefile and play on? That save file will also get corrupted after a while?

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Originally Posted by Wakko
As an average casual gamer i d strongly suggest to buy the game. I havent seen any of those gamereaking bugs myself and i enjoy the game. There are so many little hidden things that you can play the again and again and keep finding new things. If you are into turn based and into RPG games then go for it with no second thought. You can also go for the DOS 1 if you havent played. Game is similar and it will be cheaper so you ll get a good look on how the game is.


Nice to read you did not encounter gamebraking problems at all. How many hours are you into the game with your current save files?

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Originally Posted by petertlh
Originally Posted by Yuri Lowell
I had one playthrough of 90 hours+, wich became unplayable. The savefiles were corrupted. Next playthrough I got the infamous loading crash bugs, wich meant I wasted another 40 hours+ playthrough. You can check the forum here and see there are loads of other people who have the same problems.


That is no fun at all. These are the things that scare me indeed. But if I understand you correctly, all savefiles are corrupted? It's not like you can load an older savefile and play on? That save file will also get corrupted after a while?


Of course it would scare you.

But read the post again:
90+ hours and savegames became currupt. 90+ hours.
40+ hours after that and there was a loading crash bug.

Still gives 130+ hours of fun.

Also remember that people complaining about bugs are sometimes VERY vocal everywhere they can think of.
The thousands of player that hasn't experienced bugs are often silent.

Have you tried following some of the Youtube channels where they record complete playthroughs?
They couldn't if the game was as broken as some will suggest.

Some of the bugs are merely small irritating things that are blown out of proportions.
Consider a bug, where a quest journal doesn't get updated to reflect a certain meeting. I've seen it mentioned as "game breaking".
We can deduce that "game breaking" is dependent on the player.

This does not mean there are no real game breaking bugs. But they get fewer after each patch.
And some bugs ONLY surface if certain criteria are met. "Have you killed this bloke, robbed that one, broken this container and used this wand then AAARRRGGGHHH."

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I ran into many bugs in the week following release, but none that made me think the game wasn't worth playing. Finished without issue.


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Originally Posted by Ayath The Loafer
Of course it would scare you.

But read the post again:
90+ hours and savegames became currupt. 90+ hours.
40+ hours after that and there was a loading crash bug.

Still gives 130+ hours of fun.


I obviously do enjoy the game, but it is very frustrating not being able to finish a full playtrough yet. I dont agree its fun to have to start over after 90 hours+ playtrough. I am not into replaying games, I just want to fully explore it once, so having to replay the same content after a lost playtrough is pretty frustrating. Also the point about the thousands of players not experiencing the bugs, works both ways. There are plenty of players that do experience these bugs and dont make post, because they see it seems futile to try.

Originally Posted by Ayath The Loafer

We can deduce that "game breaking" is dependent on the player.


Not really, game breaking are bugs that break the game, meaning not being able to play. That is not really dependent on the player.


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Originally Posted by petertlh
Hello,

I saw some excellent reviews, Gamespot even giving a 10. But then I read stuff about players with 40 - 50+ hours into the game, running into all sorts of bugs from act 2 up.

Is it worth buying this game now or should I better wait a few months till more bugs are solved?

Many thanks in advance.

If you can wait, you are better to do that. Gamebreacking or not, game is full of it. If you have no addiction to divinity series, you'ld better wait

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Originally Posted by Sergey Butsenov
If you can wait, you are better to do that. Gamebreacking or not, game is full of it. If you have no addiction to divinity series, you'ld better wait


I can wait ofc hehe

I just find it so weird that all the game review sites give this game a 9 or even 10. Normally a lot of bugs would mean a much lower verdict.

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Originally Posted by fireundubh

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Oke I will do that, there are a lot of forum threads wich are unawnsered though. Mostly the ones about gamebreaking bugs, like the loading crash bugs or the corrupted savegames. For example: http://larian.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=74979&Number=633850#Post633850 and this one has been there for four weeks, still no reply from larian, http://larian.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=76562&Number=632337#Post632337

There are lot more of those, without replies.

Originally Posted by fireundubh

Who uses e-mail support? There's a forum.


What would you do if they did not react to the posts you are making on the forum?

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That's just the nature of game development. No timelines is par for the course. But Patch 4 went out today with more than 500 fixes.


Agreed, it is absurd to expect them to give ETA's on everything. What they could do and in my opinion should do, is at least make some kind of forum thread awknowledging the game breaking bugs. So people know they are working on these bugs.

Yes, they did release a big patch. I dont know if you checked the technical support part of the forum, but not a lot of these "fixes" are working. And not a word about the gamebreaking bugs.

Also the game developing part of the game should be done after you release the game, I dont get why people on this forum give Larian so much leeway. The gameplay and writing are really good, but that is no reason to be able to get away with such an unpolished game.

Originally Posted by fireundubh

Add these users to your Watched Users list: Larian_KVN, Larian_JB, Larian_Rimevan, and Tinkerer

(KVN just went on holiday.)


I just checked almost all of the threads they do react to, most of them are about modding troubleshooting. Not one of those four admins replied in the technical support part of the forum at all, not one reply since the release date. So no reassurance or help for people with gamebreaking bugs.

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game reviewers rarely have time to fully explore a game this vast.

They'll play an act or 2 and probably stick to the most standard choices without trying to make it a 100% run.

when you spend more time into it trying the less "standard" choices and trying different order of events.. things tend to just break.

to be honest it's kind of hard to achieve a complete playthrough without encountering any issues.

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Originally Posted by petertlh
Originally Posted by Wakko
As an average casual gamer i d strongly suggest to buy the game. I havent seen any of those gamereaking bugs myself and i enjoy the game. There are so many little hidden things that you can play the again and again and keep finding new things. If you are into turn based and into RPG games then go for it with no second thought. You can also go for the DOS 1 if you havent played. Game is similar and it will be cheaper so you ll get a good look on how the game is.


Nice to read you did not encounter gamebraking problems at all. How many hours are you into the game with your current save files?


I am at chapter 4 but i like to take it slow. I have a lot of hours in the game (more than 40) and i use the quick save system with 10 quick save slots and 5 autosave slots. So far i have never encountered a corrupt save file. The first bug i ve encounter was a Tarquin quest regarding Anathema. Im at him trying to see if there is a solution.

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525 hours in Steam (I get on early access) and seen some bugs, yeah, but never gamebreaking, people on the net tend to exagerate a lot, I finished the game without a hich. I call it gamebreaking when it keeps you from finish the game or messes badly with your character, like in Heroes V, Sudeki or some such.


Maybe I got lucky, but can give you examples of Bugs I found (cross fingers): they involve the questlog ( even i finished the quest and receive xp the quest do not close, most of them solved). Some of them even were not bugs, later you discover that the quest did not ended because you find some scene, character or loose end far away or later on the game.

I even see several places claiming it is a bug some quest you can be turned into a cow and cannot go back to human form, even it is intended that way, even the questlog say it.

There is a potion that gave you increased stats that is on-off all the time, with is annoying but frankly not gamebreaking (it gives you +1 stats).

Corrupt saves? Broken characters? Main quests bugged to no avail? Never seen any in a unmodded, no-cheat buffed or no pirated-copy. There are some minor bugs but they have a patch every week so my opinion, go for it.




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Great for you. There definitlely are gamebreaking crashes though, a lot got patched. (they are in the patchnotes there were a lot) Saying there are none cause of your great experience with the game is pretty naive. I did not have any problems with heroes 5 as example, doesn't mean I think it didn't bug out for someone else. And to say so many people lie or exaggerate and then take the time to post it on this forum is really weird.

The cow thing was a bug. Larian confirmed it was and was later fixed in one of the patches, it is still broken for a lot of people though.


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