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Pardon my mistakes, English is not my first language.

I mean, really, there's many, many details you can improve to make this game fell more Baldur's Gate and less Original Sin (I am quite analitycal about this, have long list in my head), but all them hide when comes to music. Sorry to say that, I really like your previous work, just have to. Music in revealed gameplay is decent, but in no way can stand comparison of truly masterpiece work of Michael Hoenig and Inon Zur, as you surely know composers of music to the original saga. No way. It's not only that Baldur's Gate 3 pre alpha music is different style, it fells completely soulless (to be honest I barely remember it) and that's especially bad because music was always heart and climax of every Baldur's Gate game.

I trully don't understand one thing in relation to this. You surely know how important was music in building Baldur's Gate feel and it's hard to believe for me that you didn't see quality difference between what you show and original composers work. We all also know that you have huge budget, just for example high quality cinematics show that, so assuming you can afford - why don't you hire Inon Zur or Michael Hoenig* to work for you? This will almost guarantee not only instant satisfaction of BG community, but what's more important - brilliant quality of soundtrack. It's taking your own way no matter what really that important?

Larian, it's not to late. Don't make soundtrack, second or third most important part of BG identity, that different and far from Baldur's Gate original saga vibe, that lack of Baldur's Gate soul.

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Michał

*there's also Jeremy Soul who's cocreated Icewind Dale soundtrack, Howard Drossin - Throne of Bhall Inon's Zur partner and Justin Bell who did outstanding work with Pillars of Eternity soundtrack (which wasn't a great game in overall).

Hoenig - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLpcTo-lAis / Inon Zur and Drossin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6SAKigP0Uk/ Justin Bell - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmAiP__OB9k&t=2510s

Forum members - what's your thoughts about this?

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Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so. You can still admire the quality of his music of course.

Pillars of Eternity is a great game according to its metascore. Yet personal tastes do differ. I personally didn't like D:OS I and II too much but I wouldn't say that they are not good. They obviously are great for other players. So maybe only speak for yourself?

BG3 has been in serious development for what: 8 months now? It uses music that fluently changes and adapts to the actions on screen.
Music is one of the last things that get finished during development, especially with such an "adaptive" approach. Yet you expect the music of pre-alpha BG3 to meet the quality of a finalized BGI and II? I would understand if you somehow had access to the bits and parts of pre-alpha BGI and II music and compare it with pre-alpha BG III - but I presume you have not..?

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i can see that you think the soundtrack is DIFFERENT and feels different.
Saying the soundtrack of baldurs gate 2 is a huge masterpiece...

Eh.
Baldurs gate had a lot of very forgettable tracks.
i mostly remember the battle themes, which were good mostly.
doesnt mean its literaly os perfect it cant be replaced

i suppose what you mean is that the new tracks lack the drama, for the lack of a better word, of the old tracks.
That could very well be.
then again, we havent seen any boss battle themes yet

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I also think music is a pretty big deal,everything I've heard on the demo is kind of happy and light (and reminds me of DOS2 but maybe I'm crazy at this point xD but I would say the same people is working on this title)

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Yes, I would have definitely went with Hoenig for the sake of continuity and overall fit to the series. Some of his tracks were amazing, really.

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Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so.


Why?

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Originally Posted by Boeroer
Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so...


Just because that´s your personal opinion?
There is no charge, there is no conviction, just an accusation

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Originally Posted by Boeroer
Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so. You can still admire the quality of his music of course.
Pillars of Eternity is a great game according to its metascore. Yet personal tastes do differ. I personally didn't like D:OS I and II too much but I wouldn't say that they are not good. They obviously are great for other players. So maybe only speak for yourself


Well, of course I speak for myself. Pillars of Eternity (*IN MY OPINION* wink ) was decent work with classic infinity engine games vibe, great music and (at the begining) really interesting plot, but lacks in open world (very linear), side-quests, have some cheap story solutions ("you cannot cross that bridge, it's in repair and will be ready when you finish tast completely unrelated with that bridge"), also eventually story bored me (apart from great start). It wasn''t bad game for me, actually I like it, but couldn't call it great as well. Anyway I respect your opinion.

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Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so.


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Yet you expect the music of pre-alpha BG3 to meet the quality of a finalized BGI and II? I would understand if you somehow had access to the bits and parts of pre-alpha BGI and II music and compare it with pre-alpha BG III - but I presume you have not..?


Unless I cannot assume that the music will be completely different in final product and know music from Original Sin 1 & 2, I made my opinion basing on what I heard and what I know. As I said before - OS soundtrack (with is simmilar to what I heard in BG3 gameplay) is decent, but for sure lacks Baldur's Gate vibe.

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I also think music is a pretty big deal,everything I've heard on the demo is kind of happy and light (and reminds me of DOS2 but maybe I'm crazy at this point xD but I would say the same people is working on this title)


Couldn't agree more.

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can see that you think the soundtrack is DIFFERENT and feels different.
Saying the soundtrack of baldurs gate 2 is a huge masterpiece...


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doesnt mean its literaly os perfect it cant be replaced


Well, everybody has his own taste, but for me, my friends and huge part of the community it is a masterpiece. For sure it can be repleced, but once again - in my opinion what we heard doesn't fit Badur's Gate 3, just doesn't have Baldur's Gate vibe. If so, why not to hire an artist who guarantee understaing of this vibe and almost guarantee highest quality of his work?







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Originally Posted by Wiborg Sturmfels
Originally Posted by Boeroer
Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so...


Just because that´s your personal opinion?


Mine, that of his former business partners and several people who complained about his behavior.
But surely my opinion is most important here.
So... yes! smile

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Originally Posted by Boeroer
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Originally Posted by Boeroer
Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so...


Just because that´s your personal opinion?


Mine, that of his former business partners and several people who complained about his behavior.
But surely my opinion is most important here.
So... yes! smile


Non grata or not, his work is amazing.

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im pretty sure thats some stupid sutff with him getting metood or some other dumb social media thing that happens to everyone these days

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- Change the UI
- Change the Battle System
- Change the Assets
- Change the Music
- Change the Logo

Did I miss anything?

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I can assure you it wasn't "stupid" for the people who suffered under his toxic and predatory behavior. "Horrible" might be the right word. It seemed that he wasn't 100% mentally stable but maybe that was just my impression.
He acknowledged most of the claims, apologized and said he was going to get help. That was a good start at least. No idea what he's been doing since.

I didn't get "metood" so far. So no - not everyone. Maybe because I try to treat all people decently, no idea...

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Originally Posted by Boeroer
Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so.

Will you just leave the guy alone?

He was accused of rape, but there is no evidence that anything ever happened and charges were dropped. I swear, this #MeToo idiocy to effeminate men is getting way out of hand.

Yes, there are stupid assholes out there that treat women like dirt, but most of us men treat our wives, daughters and all other women only with the utmost respect.

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Originally Posted by dlux
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Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so.

I swear, this #MeToo idiocy to effeminate men is getting way out of hand.


"Effeminate men"?

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Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem
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Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so.

I swear, this #MeToo idiocy to effeminate men is getting way out of hand.


"Effeminate men"?

I don't want to go in depth about politics here. Just google it or leave it be.

EDIT: My bad, I meant "emasculate", of course.

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Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem
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Originally Posted by Boeroer
Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so.

I swear, this #MeToo idiocy to effeminate men is getting way out of hand.


"Effeminate men"?


Well, you have to admit … we got a little too burly for our own good.

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Originally Posted by dlux
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Originally Posted by dlux
Originally Posted by Boeroer
Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so.

I swear, this #MeToo idiocy to effeminate men is getting way out of hand.


"Effeminate men"?

I don't want to go in depth about politics here. Just google it or leave it be.

EDIT: My bad, I meant "emasculate", of course.


I had something sharp to say, but I will not.

BTW I agree with you, I think Soule was smeared, since no one pressed charges.

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Yeah, all the emasculated men, clutching their pearls and dropping their balls when women dare to speak up - it's truly horrible...

Originally Posted by dlux
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Jeremy Soule is persona non grata nowadays. And rightfully so.

Will you just leave the guy alone?

Yeah ok - everybody is leaving him alone nowadays, so why not?

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In my opinion we shouldn't speculate about his guilt or not, it's police or court job.
We are lack od informations. Anyway it's not even important in this thread.

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