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Joined: Mar 2020
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Sorry I don't buy this. First of all, I'm a little tired of the trope of the evil characters can be "redeemed", and it's the job, nay the obligation, of the good characters to spend their life redeeming all the evil characters. And secondly, what happens in the meantime, before they're redeemed? From the first gameplay video, if my PC saw Astarian sucking the blood of another of my companions in the middle of the night, I don't care what the excuses may be, Astarian is immediately getting staked. Similarly, she can have all the crises of faith she wants, but if Shadowheart does anything, I mean even the smallest thing, that is in the nature of Shar while in my party (Shar being incredibly, horribly evil), she's dead. And as such, I really don't want that to be the nature of the relationship between me and my party companions. I know many people nowadays insist that no one is truly good or evil and everyone is just the same shade of grey, but that's all just hogwash to me. Agree that is also a legit path if you want to go that route. Hopefully we won’t end up in camp alone 
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Joined: Feb 2020
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Sorry I don't buy this. First of all, I'm a little tired of the trope of the evil characters can be "redeemed", and it's the job, nay the obligation, of the good characters to spend their life redeeming all the evil characters. And secondly, what happens in the meantime, before they're redeemed? From the first gameplay video, if my PC saw Astarian sucking the blood of another of my companions in the middle of the night, I don't care what the excuses may be, Astarian is immediately getting staked. Similarly, she can have all the crises of faith she wants, but if Shadowheart does anything, I mean even the smallest thing, that is in the nature of Shar while in my party (Shar being incredibly, horribly evil), she's dead. And as such, I really don't want that to be the nature of the relationship between me and my party companions. I know many people nowadays insist that no one is truly good or evil and everyone is just the same shade of grey, but that's all just hogwash to me. Agree that is also a legit path if you want to go that route. Hopefully we won’t end up in camp alone We won't. We can invite each other. Add me to your friendlist, I'll join your party after you've killed all your companions! ...Although that sets a terrible precedent and possible fate for my character.
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veteran
Joined: Jan 2018
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I am holding out for a recruitable Minsc, the insurmountable, unimpeachable peak of righteousness. If he is a companion, and all of the others are all evil, I see that as almost balancing out.
Last edited by Warlocke; 07/07/20 08:59 PM.
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stranger
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Joined: Jun 2020
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So far we have a vampire spawn, a Warlock of the Fiend, a dark cleric, and a Gith that are each evil or tainted in some way. I'm hoping to see companions more suited to a good-aligned party.
The character's I typically play wouldn't team-up with these companions unless forced. Maybe that's the story, but it seems like someone else's story; not mine.
Thoughts? Same here. No romance with evil companions and I might even skio their quests, if their story is too far off for me. I can stand the "get the best out of the current situation" type of stories and hopefully, they are not all weird and evil but only driven by unusual circumstances. We will see
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Joined: Jun 2020
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I know many people nowadays insist that no one is truly good or evil and everyone is just the same shade of grey, but that's all just hogwash to me. Same shade of gray? Yea, that would be hogwash, and not what I'm trying to argue. But one-dimensionally black or white is just as absurd. Real characters are built less around shallow alignment tropes and more around inner conflict and personal goals, which all 5 companions so far seem to show (from what little we know of them). That's all I am pushing. Don't write them both off based on their past. While it informs their personality, it does not define them, especially given that their situations have both just radically changed, even beyond the standard tadpole issue.
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I know many people nowadays insist that no one is truly good or evil and everyone is just the same shade of grey, but that's all just hogwash to me. Same shade of gray? Yea, that would be hogwash, and not what I'm trying to argue. But one-dimensionally black or white is just as absurd. Real characters are built less around shallow alignment tropes and more around inner conflict and personal goals, which all 5 companions so far seem to show (from what little we know of them). That's all I am pushing. Don't write them both off based on their past. While it informs their personality, it does not define them, especially given that their situations have both just radically changed, even beyond the standard tadpole issue. Fair enough, and in theory I agree. I'm not writing them off based on their past or their written background. The word "evil" on their character sheet under alignment is not what I am talking about. It is about what they do, how they behave, from the moment my PC meets them. That's what I'm talking about, because that's what matters to me. It's not about whether they have this or that label attached to them on paper. It's about how they actually are in the game. If they do things that very reasonably fall within the classification of evil things, then that qualifies as defining them. So, again using the Astarion example, if he sucks blood out of someone, and the game then tries to justify his action in some way, for me that is BS and I won't accept it. Sucking someone's blood is evil, period, and I won't accept any spin on it or rationalizations for why it is somehow okay. If, OTOH, he resists his temptation to suck someone's blood, then that is something I will give him credit for.
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Joined: Mar 2020
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I know many people nowadays insist that no one is truly good or evil and everyone is just the same shade of grey, but that's all just hogwash to me. Same shade of gray? Yea, that would be hogwash, and not what I'm trying to argue. But one-dimensionally black or white is just as absurd. Real characters are built less around shallow alignment tropes and more around inner conflict and personal goals, which all 5 companions so far seem to show (from what little we know of them). That's all I am pushing. Don't write them both off based on their past. While it informs their personality, it does not define them, especially given that their situations have both just radically changed, even beyond the standard tadpole issue. Fair enough, and in theory I agree. I'm not writing them off based on their past or their written background. The word "evil" on their character sheet under alignment is not what I am talking about. It is about what they do, how they behave, from the moment my PC meets them. That's what I'm talking about, because that's what matters to me. It's not about whether they have this or that label attached to them on paper. It's about how they actually are in the game. If they do things that very reasonably fall within the classification of evil things, then that qualifies as defining them. So, again using the Astarion example, if he sucks blood out of someone, and the game then tries to justify his action in some way, for me that is BS and I won't accept it. Sucking someone's blood is evil, period, and I won't accept any spin on it or rationalizations for why it is somehow okay. If, OTOH, he resists his temptation to suck someone's blood, then that is something I will give him credit for. Yeah that is usually how my Paladin rolls (ahem).
The greatest of evils we face may lie within
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Joined: Mar 2020
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I am holding out for a recruitable Minsc, the insurmountable, unimpeachable peak of righteousness. If he is a companion, and all of the others are all evil, I see that as almost balancing out. ^^
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Joined: Mar 2020
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Agree that is also a legit path if you want to go that route. Hopefully we won’t end up in camp alone We won't. We can invite each other. Add me to your friendlist, I'll join your party after you've killed all your companions! ...Although that sets a terrible precedent and possible fate for my character. My thanks to you, my lady. I look forward to our meeting in Faerun
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