Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Great Old One Warlock Fix

While testing out all the classes, I ran across the warlock patrons for fiend and great old one. Fiend has an obnoxiously powerful feature (as per 5e rules) for getting temp hp on killing blow. Great old one (in the rule books) get awakened mind, allowing them to have telepathy. This is ridiculously good in MANY roleplay options. OBVIOUSLY, this would be too difficult to implement in the game and so its removal makes sense. What doesn't seem to make sense, is how they have nothing to replace it.

This is very strange considering the massive rework the ranger got to make it functional (which I realy like btw). I would recommend a replacement feature for awakened mind (the level 1 feature for great old one warlocks), rather than just the straight removal of it. Maybe giving them immunity to charm or the ability to cast charm person at will, or w/e, but at least something. Otherwise, I'm really enjoying the game the class.

I think awakened mind is great but it should have in game /dialogue options for it.

Yeah it's not that it's bad at all, but I can see that it would probably just be too much work for them to implement (in that it would take development resources away from more important things).

Definitely +1 to getting SOMETHING in exchange for Awakened Mind as written in the TT. If they want to maintain the combat vs. RP utility split, getting a +1 bonus on social checks or advantage once per long rest or something or whatever. If they want to give them a combat effect, increased saves for mental effects or something could be a good alternative, or as suggested Charm Person (though probably once per long rest or perhaps short rest, at will would be pretty OP).

No matter what though they should be getting SOMETHING at level 1.

Couldn't agree more. warlock GOO is my favorite class in the entire game DnD, but from a balancing standpoint so far its terrible. I like the idea of getting charm person though.

Detect Thoughts at will, perhaps? Probably the closest thing to Awakened Mind.

It actually angered me to see the removal of Awakened Mind without any sort of substitute. Any of the above suggestions would be perfectly reasonable solutions and not hard to implement.

I wouldn't think it would be too hard to implement telepathy. We already have insight and the tadpole conversation options. Just tweak those conversation lines a little bit.