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#683266 09/10/20 09:59 AM
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Dear Larian,

I encountered Raphael for the first time and told him I'd break his legs if he didn't go away and consequently didn't want to have anything to do with him. He still teleported us and one of the dialogue states was:

Raphael: I could fix it all like that. *snaps fingers*

  • I'll do anything to get rid of the tadpole.
  • I need to think this over.
  • You're mad if you think I'll make a deal with a devil.
  • Then fix it, or die at my hand.


All of the options look very contraining and leave no space for roleplaying. Here's why:

"I'll do anything" - no, I won't, maybe I like my new passenger, maybe I don't but I definitely won't do "anything".
"I need to think this over" - no I don't, I already told him I'd break his legs and don't want to have anything to do with him.
"make a deal with a devil" - that sounds too Christian, or maybe I'm missing something about the BG lore? Anyway to me it sounds like something only a religious person (cleric/paladin?) would say and only in a Christian setting.
"fix it, or die" - I don't want him to fix anything, I don't care to talk to him or see him again.

I feel one option that is missing is "Bugger off and teleport me back and if you ever touch me again I'll Eldritch Blast your tomato ass into oblivion" or somesuch.

Thank you.

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Devils are the actual inhabitants of the nine hells. Nothing christian here. They are called devils to differentiate them from demons, who are a different breed entirely.

Last edited by Nyanko; 09/10/20 10:16 AM.
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Originally Posted by Wi1em_
Dear Larian,
"make a deal with a devil" - that sounds too Christian, or maybe I'm missing something about the BG lore? Anyway to me it sounds like something only a religious person (cleric/paladin?) would say and only in a Christian setting.
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This is actually pretty lore accurate. As Nyanko states Devils are the primary inhabitants of the Nine Hells, Demons are the rulers of the Abyss. The primary thing that differentiates them (beyond the unending hatred and ongoing millennia long war between them) is that Devils are Lawful Evil whilst Demons are Chaotic Evil (The original Demons are, IIRC, fragments of the original Elemental Chaos that existed before the current Planar Structure - whichever one the game is using).

A stereotypical Devil is pretty much the incarnation of all the bad lawyer jokes you have ever heard, they are ready, willing and able to strike a deal for your soul (or whatever else you are willing to offer - service, power, material wealth etc), but you need to read the fine print, a Devil will always strike a deal, but you can be sure that they will be the one coming out on top.

Although a Cleric or Paladin would probably know the details of a particular Devil or Demon, most inhabitants of Aber Toril would know the general gist (that Devils are always willing to bargain and that although you may get what you ask for, it probably won't be what you need and that the price will ultimately be more than you can afford).


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