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#684776 09/10/20 10:00 PM
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What does it do? In 5e it adds the dex modifier to the offhand attack damage, but in this game, it's already there. The fighting style claims to add it, but as I said, it's already there. I could prove it with tooltips and roll logs. The attack roll, to hit, though, only gets the proficiency bonus, so logically it could add that to the roll, but it doesn't. As it stands right now, the fighting style has no advantage whatsoever, as all the bonuses are already there.

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It could be that the fed bonus is normally not supposed to be there and this is a bug.

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Yeah, that's what I think too. But then dual wielding got nefed hard from 5e by losing the Ability Score Modifier to hit. Either way, either the modifier needs to be moved to attack rolls so it's like in 5e or the Fighting Style gives a boost to attack rolls.

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I've been having problems just getting things to dual wield. Unsure if it's a bug or not, it could be linked to them hard coding no dual wielding unless you have 2 weapon fighting. Again unsure of this but it may very well be what two weapon fighting does. Just lets you wield two weapons, instead of your unable to dual wield at all. I'll have to look into it again, as I'm not 100% sure this is the case. I know it appears to be with rapiers, longswords, and battleaxes. it's the daggers and shortswords that I'm unsure about. think I dual wielded them with Fang Elf, and he didn't have two weapon fighting.

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Dual Wielding only works with Light weapons, example: Daggers, Shortswords, Handaxes etc. The Dual Wielder feat available at 4th level allow any weapons usable with one hand be dual wielded. This is also how 5e works, and I have found the game not different.

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editted do to false information on 5e rules. see below.

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Nope, light weapons only until you get the feat that allows any one handed weapon.

“Two-Weapon Fighting
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you're holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you're holding in the other hand. You don't add your ability modifier to the damage of the bonus attack, unless that modifier is negative.”

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/phb/combat#TwoWeaponFighting

Here is the Dual Wielder feat:

“You master fighting with two weapons, gaining the following benefits:

You gain a +1 bonus to AC while you are wielding a separate melee weapon in each hand.
You can use two-weapon fighting even when the one-handed melee weapons you are wielding aren't light.
You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.”

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Originally Posted by clavis
Originally Posted by AghiTron
Dual Wielding only works with Light weapons, example: Daggers, Shortswords, Handaxes etc. The Dual Wielder feat available at 4th level allow any weapons usable with one hand be dual wielded. This is also how 5e works, and I have found the game not different.


Actually it states in book that (not word for word, mines upstairs atm, and having hard time walking) That dual wielding can be done with any one handed weapon, (just as in the real world), but you won't be able to use your modifier without certain feats, and you recieve negatives to your normal modifiers, this being more severe and normally starting out as -2 -6 or something. The use of feats such as dual wielding, and 2 weapon fighting allows you to use your modifiers to the damage of your rolls. and make the penalties for fighting with two weapons less. This is further reduced by wielding a light weapon in your off hand, or in each hand. which is why most people go with light weapons.

What your talking about is the feat itself, and the subclass of ranger/fighter.


The feat (Dual Wielder) actually does not provide the ability to add your modifier to off-hand attack damage actually, only the fighting style does, additionally, you do add your modifier to the attack hit chance regardless of the style, the style is only supposed to control whether you add your relevant modifier to the off-hand damage, without the fighting style you can not add the modifier to the damage. At least by the 5e rules. Additionally, you can't fight with two weapons unless the offhand weapon has the light property, OR you have the dual wielder feat as the feat itself gives you the following "You can use two-weapon fighting even when the one-handed melee weapons you are wielding aren't light."

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Originally Posted by Warlocke
Nope, light weapons only until you get the feat that allows any one handed weapon.

“Two-Weapon Fighting
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you're holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you're holding in the other hand. You don't add your ability modifier to the damage of the bonus attack, unless that modifier is negative.”

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/phb/combat#TwoWeaponFighting

Here is the Dual Wielder feat:

“You master fighting with two weapons, gaining the following benefits:

You gain a +1 bonus to AC while you are wielding a separate melee weapon in each hand.
You can use two-weapon fighting even when the one-handed melee weapons you are wielding aren't light.
You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.”


you are correct then. I missed it or been playing with the old 3.5 rule house ruled for to long. Sorry for false info I'll edit my post.

of course I'll be adding the 5e way to the list of dumb things about 5e.


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