Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback draconic bloodline sorcerer.. A note to Larian

I know sorcerer and also its subclass draconic bloodlines isn't in the game yet, but i know its planned to be. i wanted to make a special note on the fact that since the subclass only requires you to have an ancestry to a particular dragon type, that means they don't have to be in D&D 5e to be a valid choice, just means they had to be a official thing in any D&D edition. So even if your talking now extinct, that does not mean you don't still carry the linage. I think in all cases a dragon is immune to whatever damage its breath weapon is. With that in mind you can use dragons such as force dragon (3rd edition , did a cone shaped force breath attack), deep dragon (2e/3e, did a cone psychic attack.. which would be useful against mind flayers having resistance to psychic damage), and shadow dragons1e/2e/3e/5e, its breath was a necrotic cone. Just some information to help you do this right. when you make the subclass include in the sublcass a chance to have linage with at least one official dragon spanning from every edition of D&D to at least allow covering every spell damage type covered by all the games official dragon types. And again not just 5e. Consequently this is also true if you do the race dragonborn, you just need it to have lived at some point in any Edition of D&D to qualify.

Draconic Sorcerers are not immune to a type of damage, at level 6 they can gain resistance against the elemental type associated with their draconic bloodline, which reduces the damage suffered by 50%

i know but does give what its resistances are for the subclass, and also what spell damage it increases the damage of. And for dragonborn it shows what its breath weapon is as far as damage pattern and type as well as its resistances. Specifically for draconic bloodlines subclass it effects :



Elemental Affinity
Starting at 6th level, when you cast a spell that deals damage of the type associated with your draconic ancestry, add your Charisma modifier to that damage. At the same time, you can spend 1 sorcery point to gain resistance to that damage type for 1 hour.

For dragonborn it effects :

Draconic Ancestry
You have draconic ancestry. Choose one type of dragon from the Draconic Ancestry table. Your breath weapon and damage resistance are determined by the dragon type, as shown in the table.

Breath Weapon
You can use your action to exhale destructive energy. Your draconic ancestry determines the size, shape, and damage type of the exhalation. When you use your breath weapon, each creature in the area of the exhalation must make a saving throw, the type of which is determined by your draconic ancestry. The DC for this saving throw equals 8 + your Constitution modifier + your proficiency bonus. A creature takes 2d6 damage on a failed save, and half as much damage on a successful one. The damage increases to 3d6 at 6th level, 4d6 at 11th level, and 5d6 at 16th level. After you use your breath weapon, you can’t use it again until you complete a short or long rest.

that is cut and pasted so its verbatim.

IF the spent a sorcery point to do it yes, but again thats "resistance" not "immunity". Very big difference between 50% and 100% damage reduction.

your missing the point, the point i will spell out for you,.... it still effects what the resistance/damage type is requardless if you spend the sorcerery point to gain the resistance. The damage type is effected reguardless if you spend a sorcery point or not its always active after lvl 6 in Sorcerer

Correct, I did not claim otherwise. I pointed out that they are not "immune" to their damage type only "resistant" and only if they spend a sorcery point. Which deviates a lot from your description in the OP.

I never said they were immune you assumed that, all i said was the dragons were immune to their own damage types, meaning that is the resistance the subclass offers if you pick that lineage. If you had read the whole thing i even said for deep dragons since there breath is psychic
damage , you would gain resistance to psychic damage.

Possible that I misunderstood you here then, because it read to me that if the dragon was immune to their own damage type so should the sorcerer. I apologise if that was not what you meant.

yeah the dragon was, the player is most likely not a dragon. lol Even dragon born/half dragons are not full dragons , they are diluted. and its ok

Shadow dragons aren't a species per se. They are the result of a dragon getting pulled into and changed by the shadowfell. There's a shadow dragon in one of the campaign books who used to be a black dragon, for instance.

Shadow dragons aren't a species per se. They are the result of a dragon getting pulled into and changed by the shadowfell. There's a shadow dragon in one of the campaign books who used to be a black dragon, for instance.




Actually in 1e and 2nd edition they were a species its only til later versions did they expand on that. But regardless they were altered and after there DNA was altered as mutations from exposure to the shadowfell, and their offspring could carry genes to become one. so technically they are made by exposure to the Shadowfell, if two shadow dragons mated they would make shadow dragon offspring, reguardless what type of dragons the parents were before the mutations of the first dragons to become a shadow dragon in there blood line or themselves were prior to becoming one.

I feel like y'all have missed a point in BG3's game design. It, especially its classes, are based on 5e material, often copying it wholesale. Psychic and Force damage are not valid draconic origins for sorcerers in 5e, ergo they will not show up here.

I think you got the immunity from the Pathfinder 3.5 rule setting and 3.0 and 3.5 D&D edition rules on the elemental breath weapon attack. In those editions you gain total immunity to your associated element by the end of the Sorcerer bloodline or Dragon Disciple prestige class. I have no idea how it is done in 5E so just explaining how there might have been a misconception to being immunity to your associated element for the build. As far as Force Dragons and Shadow Dragons...I think the best you are going to get is Metallic or Chromatic dragon ancestry since they are the prevalent types in most of the multi-verse and Faerun.

I mean technically there are Prismatic Dragons lol. Rainbow Breath attack! TASTE THE RAINBOW! :p

Kidding aside, even if the 5E gives you a sizable resistance to your element type you choose still better than nothing. Also saves on having to cast Resist Elements or allows you to pick another element to be resistant too! Oh, the possibilities for magic! I can't wait to be a Sorcerer! Whee! Wizards beware my mighty innate power! Huzzah! *Blinks* Um, btw, you got a scroll of mage armor I can have forgot to innately have that spell from my bloodline!

Okay I lied, I can't stop joking about. However, I am psyched to see Sorcerer. It is my most favorite magic class I never got or get to play except in Baldur's Gate and NWN games due to someone was always a sorcerer at my gaming table. I am sure though when it is released it will be awesome!

for me i am more thinking about how a multiclass with draconic bloodlines sorcerer ( force dragon ) would match up with warlock and eldritch blast ( with agonizing/repelling blast) maybe even take 8 levels of say light or grave cleric or evocation school wizard in there to empower eldritch blast more. ( cleric for potent spellcasting/ wizard for empowered evocation)... but for sake of levels. really only seeing sorcerer /cleric ,working with 2 lvls of warlock if they give us 16 lvls to work with on cap.) since they would be multiclassed all the sub class features that give a specific classes spells for use ( like says cleric cantrips or wizard evocation spells , would actually apply to the entire multiclass. ( ie wizard cantrips would count as cleric cantrips for use of the sub class feature potent spellcasting and cleric evocation spells would work for for empowered evocations. and eldritch blast would work with both sub class features and stack with agonizing blast.) Yeah this would be alot of bonus damage to eldritch blast but it comes at a extreme cost too, being that it only holds value to do this if you get your charisma/wisdom, and intelligence up high scores, which would most likely mean you are putting all your ASIs into stats, not feats. Which is a huge and slow investment.

Actually your wrong , they are completely valid for use in 5e. it says draconic bloodline. It does not how ever say you can only pick from the dragons that are in 5e currently since were talking a bloodline. Nothing in 5e specifies you have to pick only from the "suggested" dragon types listed under the subclass, nor does it state anywhere that it can't be an ancient or extinct bloodline. I mention those because they are official dragon types within D&D, and again no where does anything say they can't be used in 5e and rebalanced for 5e. But that still would be irrelevant, because from those dragons were only looking at there damage types of their breath weapons for purpose of determining the damage type you get bonuses to damage with at lvl 6 in the sub class... also is only for purpose if you spend the 1 sorcery point for the resistance type you get.

Your suggestion isn't bad but consider the following. If they make this concession to port material from previous editions for this then where do they draw the line without upsetting everyone else?

Honestly, I'll be satisfied with Sorcerer bloodlines altering the physical appearance of the Sorcerer in question (Dragon Wings for example.) when they get enough levels.

Draconic wings are available al level 14. Given that BG3 is likely to cap at level 10, there is no reason to expect draconic wings in BG3. Need to wait until BG4.

I feel like we will likely get a higher cap than 10.
EA is capped at 4, which means you could get higher than that feasibly in Act 1.
And there's gonna be more than 2 acts I'd wager.

Draconic sorcerer become closer and closer to their ancestor form the more they get stronger.
Wouldn't it be logic if they become temporary a real one when they start to reach the top of their power ?
Even go further, attaining the older/stronger version of this form as a final goal.