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ATM they resemble the Dragon Quest Hero imo :P.
I just can't think of anything really striking about their personalities. Both want to help others above themselves, which is fine, but I can't think of anything else about them. Wyll is just the angry form of Gale right now.
Astarion, Lae'zel and Shadowheart have things about them; but when it comes to Gale and Wyll, they are just a bit bland, generic, run of the mill Hero archtype.
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Agreed, most of Gale's lines are stupid.
Don't like the excess of humor they put on characters with dramatic background such as Gale or Astarion. It is just not believable.
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Actually i liked them both. Gale is cheerful and nice but has dark secret behind. His true form will reveal later in game. Wyll is more trivial to me, I wish he could be thiefling instead human and more ratched and evil than we see him now. Both Wyll and Gale approve good actions but none of them is good character, this is what i liked in the writing so far.
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Gale doesn't seem to really want to help others, he gives some "approves" when you do, but he never really talks about it outright. He comes off as someone who seeks [Something] and this lead him down a dangerous path.
He mostly talks about magic and knowledge, and the [Something]. Heck at one point he even suggest stealing (Only to roll that back if you point out it's not cool to steal)
To me he's the "crazy mage" archetype more than anything.
Wyll made a pack with a devil, more or less, and tries to atone for it by doing good. All the same time knowing he only has this power because of his pact.
He also doesn't actually seem to only do his heroics for all the right reasons though.
If you think they are just "run of the mill" then it seems to me you haven't gotten further into their story arch?
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Gale doesn't seem to really want to help others, he gives some "approves" when you do, but he never really talks about it outright. He comes off as someone who seeks [Something] and this lead him down a dangerous path.
He mostly talks about magic and knowledge, and the [Something]. Heck at one point he even suggest stealing (Only to roll that back if you point out it's not cool to steal)
To me he's the "crazy mage" archetype more than anything.
Wyll made a pack with a devil, more or less, and tries to atone for it by doing good. All the same time knowing he only has this power because of his pact.
He also doesn't actually seem to only do his heroics for all the right reasons though.
If you think they are just "run of the mill" then it seems to me you haven't gotten further into their story arch?
They're not that interesting to pursue, also I have Gale in my party for all of chapter 1 for my plays. There was never any spot for Wyll, plus his story is a bit buggy, I couldn't see half of it when I was playing with him in my party. Edit: Just adding, I think the problem lies in my feeling uncomfortable asking party members questions because of how shirty they get when you initiate conversation with them. So I just wait for them to speak to me, perhaps if this is addressed in the writing, then I'll be able to get to know Gale better. ATM though, everyone has an aversion to questions, so I just keep to myself :X.
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Edit: Just adding, I think the problem lies in my feeling uncomfortable asking party members questions because of how shirty they get when you initiate conversation with them. So I just wait for them to speak to me, perhaps if this is addressed in the writing, then I'll be able to get to know Gale better. ATM though, everyone has an aversion to questions, so I just keep to myself :X.
Yeah, this is a bit of an issue, hard to know when "pushing a subject" will give you a reward, and when it will get you a "Shadowheart Disapproves" (That woman is hard to please) I never found Gale to be difficult to get a plot out of though, and he will tell you his whole story if you get him to like you. Wyll actually has the most direct impact on the Goblin storyline, so I advice playing with him at least once. Shadowheart is very much an "at the right place at the right time" progression. At least that's how it seems to me. She needs to "trigger" at certain points for you to be able to learn more about her. Lae'zel... well she's looking for her kin, and beyond that she's just grumpy. I usually kill her and takes her armor to be honest. I found her to be obnoxious, and I rarely feel I need a fighter in my party.
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Edit: Just adding, I think the problem lies in my feeling uncomfortable asking party members questions because of how shirty they get when you initiate conversation with them. So I just wait for them to speak to me, perhaps if this is addressed in the writing, then I'll be able to get to know Gale better. ATM though, everyone has an aversion to questions, so I just keep to myself :X.
Yeah, this is a bit of an issue, hard to know when "pushing a subject" will give you a reward, and when it will get you a "Shadowheart Disapproves" (That woman is hard to please) I never found Gale to be difficult to get a plot out of though, and he will tell you his whole story if you get him to like you. Wyll actually has the most direct impact on the Goblin storyline, so I advice playing with him at least once. Shadowheart is very much an "at the right place at the right time" progression. At least that's how it seems to me. She needs to "trigger" at certain points for you to be able to learn more about her. Lae'zel... well she's looking for her kin, and beyond that she's just grumpy. I usually kill her and takes her armor to be honest. I found her to be obnoxious, and I rarely feel I need a fighter in my party. I did play with Wyll in one play, and his story was buggy. It didn't work half the time :X.
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I thought Wyll was really borning and one dimensional until I took him to the windmill and on his personal quests in the goblin camp. The dude has teeth and baggage, and it was fun to see it on display, but they should hint at that, because he seems like the most standard goodie two shoes hero of one dimensionalness you've ever seen. Have him get heated when talking about the goblins when you meet him or something to hint at the infernal rage he hides underneath that mysterious eye
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*Generalized character spoilers* So far I've been fine with all the characters really and I've been learning what makes them tick. Gale is aloof at first but warms up to you quickly as you start saving various children and you get his backstory that way. He's a big fan of saving kids. Asterion has a soft spot for slaves, even though he's typically cruel and selfish he will approve of you being anti-slavery or forced servitude in any way. Wyll wants to be heroic, not directly because he just wants to be a hero (he does), but because he thinks it will make his choices worthwhile. Shadowheart values privacy and self-serving pragmatism and will disapprove whenever you try to push and fail a check or do something selfless but has a soft spot for animals, so be nice to animals and get paid. La'zael values efficiency, especially the ruthless kind, and will greatly approve of any time you expedite your objective by being direct, brutally honest, violent, or otherwise not letting people or their feelings/lives get in the way of your goal. I've found she slowly softens on wasting time on anyone as it becomes more apparent that the characters have time and aren't in immediate danger of transformation.
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Could hardly disagree more. Gale might actually be the first RPG character I truly liked in around two decades of playing RPGs. Contrary to previous posters I find Gale and the other companion personalities believable; complex yet distinct and all seem to potentially have a dynamic range to their personalities. Gale is well-written and voice-acted, funny in a smart way that commanded my attention and respect from the get go. In general the companions strike me as the ultimate farewell to the stereotypical follower; they truly are COMPANIONS and equals.
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