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Unless I'm completely misunderstanding something, this seems like a mistake. Will try it and see what happens.

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Yeah so it gave me advantage on the check, but the follow up Persuasion check against Astarion also had advantage

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So, I'd say that this is because the "Conversation" is, as a whole game entity, a conversation with Astarion. The other failing is that the way that the spell is written at the moment.... I'll quuote you the section from the spell feedback list:

"The other problem here is that its description in its spell card, its tooltip, and its status effect disagree with and contradict each other. One says that it gives advantage on all checks in dialogue (charmer against charmed), while the other says you have advantage on all charisma checks against the target. These are not the same thing... and it's concerning to think that Larian supposes they are. If the charmed tooltip is accurate (stating that we have advantage on all ability checks in dialogue with the target), we should have advantage on insight checks, as well as an Intelligence (history, religion, etc.,) checks we make in the course of conversation to mention, bring up, or respond to information... if the Spell description is correct (advantage on charisma checks), then we do not. They currently contradict."

As you illustrate her, it appears that the mechanical function is the former option - that we flat get advantage on every ability check we make while in conversation with the charmed person... which quite obviously is NOT how it should be. The annoying thing is that this has been noted for many months now, even before charm person had any effect at all in conversation... and they still haven't actually fixed it.

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Charm Person suppose to work on dialogues even when are not "charisma checks".
How do I know that? Well it's the answer I first been gave when I made a straight report on the bug report platform.

My report was about been able to use Charm Person when you were about to pick the lock to free Liam; Same problem when you were helping the flaming first to push a door, STR check.
Both cases, doesn't make sense to get advantage with Charming the Person. (It's basically the same case of your)

Well, since "You can use Charm Person on checks during dialog" kind of does not justify the example above, I replied trying to make my self "easier to understand". So the second/last answer I got was:
"I'll check with the design team. Most likely since the feature was just added the dialogues still need a review to check for cases like this"

So it's basically it, they still implementing...

Extra: I was thinking on the matter and I conclude that this will be pretty tricky to work on, because you can't define it will work or not just knowing what check will be demanded, for instance:
I gave an example above of a lock picking check, another example is when you are about to grab Selüne's stuff that were on the stash without Shadowheart seeing it. Both are sleight of hand check, but as I see, the first one charm person doesn't make sense at all while the second one it does.

So yeah, it will need an analysis from the team case by case.

Last edited by Balbaroy; 22/07/21 03:52 PM.

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