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I only make $10 an hour but I would still find a way to pay $50 a month for an MMORPG of this game.

Just my 2 pennies, which is actually a significant portion of my paycheck.

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Nah.

It would deter from the current mmo out now, Neverwinter Online...you should try it out.

I saw an article a while back re wizards of the coast & roughly 6 new D&D titles over the next few years (including BG3 & Dark Alliance) pretty sure one was an MMO .....

Interesting, ill do some googling later, thanks.

Here is the "official" posting about that mmo: https://twitter.com/the_strix/status/1367169221453443072 It was originally reported by a few blog sites and then grabbed by mainstream gaming sites before this employee tagged it.

Do not listen to the negative people.

I have played MMO:S World of Warcraft and Neverwinter MMO which both are well done.

You need to understand some things if they make a new Dnd MMO.
A. It can not be turn based combat. It would be most lkely Action combat. People who say that can not be good should simply avoid MMO:S. I liked the combat part in both World of Warcraft MMO and Neverwinter MMO.
B. In MMO:S usually the norm is that. there is endgame and not like Guild Wars 2. No in both Neverwinter MMO and WOW MMO there ie everlasting GRIND to become more powerful with characters. If max level is hit then they constantly add new exapansions with new ways to increase in power which can also be done with items example better armor and weapons.
C. They will need to get money so likely it will have subscription fee pay /month or have pay to win elements like Neverwinter MMO. In Neverwinter MMO you can access all the content without paying, but either you play it really many hours or pay with money to have easier progress.
D. A MMO can take many years. IF they develop a MMO relased date could be example year 2024-2027.
E. Now this game BG3 to MMO?
I do not believe it. Larian have not give any indications to that. Yes it is cooperative play up to maximum 4 people, but Larian has not told there will be even PvP possible so far at least. If they would really make a new MMO likely it is not tied to this game though it is not impossible they could use same kind of graphics like in DOS2 or BG3. Example if another studio then Larian would make MMO perhaps they could buy the graphics engine from Larian.
F. MMO projects can also get cancelled so before we see something concrete from an upcoming MMO do not get to excited.


I never quit Neverwinter MMO due to bad combat (though Dnd 4th is hardly my favorite Dnd edition and during level up I looked at guides). It was the everlasting grind.

Now Neverwinter MMO does not have subscription fee. It is PAY to WIN absolutely. However as free player playing for more then a year I managed to get best mount and pretty fairly good gear.

In PvP Neverwinter MMO it worked out well they had system if you loose much you are matched against easier opponents in battlegrounds. If you win much you get harder opponents. In Neverwinter MMO there is only voluntary PvP in battleground instances.

The reason I quit both World of Warcaft MMO (WOW after over 3 years) and Neverwinter MMO (Dnd 4th edition Action combat after playing it over a year) it is to TIME SINK you can play it 40-60 hours /week and get addicted and then you get bored on it eventually and it is an everlasting GRIND to get more powerful characters.

Now after all this I do also like turnbased combat, but in MMO:S it would be action combat more or less and it can not be people pause the combat.

If there ever will be a Baldurs Gate or a Faerun Lore like MMORPG with the engine of GW2 or TESO then count me in. WoW + Neverwinter Online is pure eye cancer... + Neverwinter has shitty or no translations...

You could try DDO, which is a much older game made by Standing Stone, but it's also Eberron, not Forgotten Realms.

I'd love this game with it's current adaptation of the rules (shove has to be tuned down though) to be made into an MMO. Would definitely play it - going to be a bit difficult with AoE spells and friendly fire, but hey!

I took a look at that and noped out when I saw the cleric was just an overly glorified healbot.

Or was that another game?

While I like your other post generally the first time we disagree.
Neverwinter MMO graphics? It is not best for sure and kind of old game. That being said enough colorful and not to cartonic certainly better graphics then low budget modern game Solasta.

Well as for Neverwinter MMO bad translations? I am sorry if it is does not have good enough German translations to you and possible other German speaking players. This is not my wish I assure you. Anyway I played it in English and that was fine for me.

Neverwinter MMO can today played on variety of consoles as well and has been a successful game with millions of players that have at least played it more or less. I played it happily roughly 1.5 years.

WOW graphics? They are old yes but during years graphics has been improved. Well and at the release of WOW its minimum requirements were clearly less then say Guild Wars 2.

Wow graphics are not realistic style, but they are cool art and I like WOW graphics.

Guild Wars 2? Well it does not have subfee, but neither does Neverwinter MMO have it and you can play Neverwinter MMO totally free which I did.

Guild Wars 2 is such an old engine they do not even support Direct X 11. It has massive PvP battles ok.
WOW updated into Direct X 11 graphics really long time ago even when I still played it.

Anyway lets not get into WOW vs Guild Wars 2 there are plenty of opinions, but WOW captured me for over 3 years while GW2 has not managed to capture me at all really.

At the end of day WOW vs Guild Wars 2 is apples vs oranges... WOW is power progression in gear and endless grind but has also fun PvP and PvE stuff and Epic PvE challenge.
As for PvP it can be challenging both in GW2 and WOW.

As for massive PvP battles I find the upcoming DnD MMO more interesting (I do not know if it will have massive PvP battles that is unknown) but it is certainly has the possibility with its brand new Unreal 5 Engine.
From what I have understood Unreal 5 engine is better graphics then Unreal 4 but not only that better suitable for massive battles at least that is what I believe.

Well and the upcoming MMO Ashes of Creation (note Ashes of Creation is fantasy, but not Dungeons&Dragons) is the new KING in massive PvP battles. Its aim is up to 500 vs 500 players while not yet shown that it has already have larger PvP battles in Alpha then any Guild Wars 2 PvP battle. Ashes of Creation will use Unreal 5 Engine but be warned system requirements can be high for massive PvP battles.

Oh now I noticed this great news. The upcoming Dungeon Dragons MMO (not done by Larian and we know almost nothing about that) is not released for n years I believe.
Well this was said about it:
"We are making a AAA, third-person, open-world fantasy RPG that will be taking place inside the Dungeons & Dragons franchise. That's right, friends, DUNGEONS & DRAGONS".
Well from job postings what they seek seems it will use Unreal 5 engine which is indeed super good news!

I do not believe that Larian has any plans to make any MMO. Of course if Larian tell later that yes we will make a MMO then that happens.

Enjoy BG3 specially when I guess is full release my guess during year 2023. BG3 is not a MMO, but you can play it solo or maximum up to 4 human players cooperative.

Very informative my previous post. Well and if you dislike MMO:S and worry that BG3 will become that read the last sentences I wrote in the last post. This thread is about MMO and personally do like MMO gaming also and told information.

Please, no.

mmorpgs are the worst games on this planet.

Well Neverwinter Online's halfhearted translations are one thing, but in the long run that old graphic drove me away. The only cool thing was the combat system and this foundry map editor.

Yeah GW2 is still struggling with Direct X 11 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/topic/112691-dx11-rendering-beta/ but they have flying mounts AND underwater areas to explore by diving with underwater PvPvE aaaand most important to me a tolerable graphics.

Ashes of Creation, as so often in recent years, one of the MMO hopes, but what's been happening for the past few decades has always been pay-to-win shit. So I don't trust it. This also applies to this mysterious Unreal Engine 5 DnD MMORPG... But hope is known to die last and that's why I'm waiting to try Hogwarts Legacy next.

PS: The best PVP experience I had was in Aion, but GW2 with dodging system was replacing it quickly.

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Oh now I noticed this great news. The upcoming Dungeon Dragons MMO (not done by Larian and we know almost nothing about that) is not released for n years I believe.
Well this was said about it:
"We are making a AAA, third-person, open-world fantasy RPG that will be taking place inside the Dungeons & Dragons franchise. That's right, friends, DUNGEONS & DRAGONS".
Well from job postings what they seek seems it will use Unreal 5 engine which is indeed super good news!

Dungeons and Dragons Online is still a really awesome. The graphics are of course pretty dated, but the stories and modules are spot on, and the voice acting is great. They just add new modules and story-packs. Curse of Strahd was inspired. The little journals made exploring fun, because you want to hear the next narration.

It was just a matter of time before they had to upgrade.

BG MMORPG? Meh. BG is entirely centered around Bhaal. Seems way too small for an MMO. And D&D mmo already exists as mentioned above.

Ngl though a D&D RTS would be funny to see. Like... with all the mages sleep mechanics and magic weapons there could be a few interesting things to do to distinguish such a game from other RTS.
Spellforce could be an inspiration to some degree.

No I do not believe that Ashes of Creation will have pay to win power. Diablo Immortal has buy to win really much indeed (I have never played it).
I am afraid that Diablo 4 MAYBE will become pay to win and Diablo 4 will have clearly better graphics then Diablo Immortal. Diablo 4 while officially not a MMO it will also have PvP and possible with cooperative PvE. I am slightly interested and might play Diablo 4 but I really hope they do not ruin it with very aggressive pay to win like Diablo Immortal.

Ashes of Creation will have sub fee pay/month like WOW. In addition they will get money from you buy the game and later I guess expansions. I do not believe that Ashes of Creation will become buy to win.

As for the upcoming Dungeons Dragons game MMO with high graphics Unreal 5 engine it is such an early state so I have absolutely no idea if it will use subfee or be more ore less pay to win. In only hope that if they do pay to win they do it correctly like read my Neverwinter MMO comments.

Ashes of Creation is fantasy but not DnD.
I am fan of Dungeons Dragons and I have also played pen and paper Dungeons Dragons.

World of Warcraft charmed me and it is not DnD but the fun thing is that WOW has taken much ideas from DnD. However in later versions Dungeons Dragons rules 4th edition took ideas from WOW example Hunter Class for Ranger and while Dungeons Dragons 5th edition removed some annoying rules from 4th edition that Hunters is still inlcuded and that is ok with me.

Guild Wars 2 is fantasy but well did never charm and it is not DnD. Same thing with Ashes of Creation it is not DnD. Therefore I am only little interested in Ashes of Creation however if it get very good reviews I might maybe play it. What makes interesting with Ashes of Creation they will try to set record with 500 vs 500 players on same screen with very good graphics Unreal 5. Ashes of Creation was initially made with Unreal 4 and this decision move to Unreal 5 make that I do not believe it will be released soon not during year 2022-2023 so maybe 2024-2025 release?

Well and as pay to win. Neverwinter MMO is pay to win absolutely, but they did it in a very smart correct way. First of all PvP is there voluntary. Second of all even if you do PvP and you loose then they will automatically make that you will fight less good PvP Players. If you instead win a lot in Neverwinter MMO PvP then you will face better players. Well and while playing I did get as free player the fastest mount, and basically access to everything that paying player can get access to. Eventually I got bored on Neverwinter MMO and the annoying for me was the grind that you must do PvE quests to get more power in Neverwinter MMO but I did play it for at 1,5 years after it was newly released. Well either you pay money or you grind a lot to stay in reasonable power in Neverwinter MMO.

Neverwinter MMO is I would say more focused on PvE then PvP.

In Guild Wars 2? Why would I want to do PvE in GW2? At some point I can not develop get higher level and get more power. The Guild Wars 2 is weak in PvE for me. Well and whats up with annoying scaling in Guild Wars 2 of PvE? If I am powerful I should slaughter some PvE monsters. If I am weak it should be hard. I do not like scaling one bit in GW2.

I have never played Aion MMO and do not know much about it so can not evaluate it. I am totally neutral about Aion.

Well and as for BG3 what for me when it has no endgame? I do not see it as a problem. There is powerup at least in level progression. It is a campaign that I play through possible more then one time. That being said BG3 is not a MMO that I need to play n years and therefore it does not need constant power progression like WOW and Neverwinter MMO.

I find this discussion highly interesting because in addition to BG3 I am also interested in MMO:s. more or less so why can not I as consumer play both? Sure I can do that.

Well and finally. Do not worry. I do not want to change BG3 to a MMO. BG3 is single player and cooperative up to maximum 4 players is fine with me.

That said I would have liked if BG3 would be changed to possible up to 6 players cooperative or cooperative up to 4 players but then add 2 NPC compansions so maximum party size would be 6 which would make it more like BG games in my view.

Well it is so outdated graphics so would not want to pay money for it. Last time I checked it years ago the old Dungeons Dragons Online was very limited in free access. You must pay money in Dungeons Dragons Online old game to get access to everything.

When I played Neverwinter MMO (which is Action Combat DungeonsDragons 4th edition) 1,5 years time I never ever paid not even one euro and had access to everything no limits. It was quite a lot of grind for me (took me like roughly 6 months to get fastest mount as free player) even though it is absolutely pay to win and you can literally simply buy fastest mount in Neverwinter MMO with real cash.

Well and as for those who pay with money as buy to win aspect in MMO:s? I respect that. I am absolutely not poor some would even say fairly wealthy, but not millionaire. I respect you regardless if you play games as free as possible or want to pay for them (including buy to win) with real money.

That being said in some games like Diablo Immortal the pay to win has gone to far as I see it. Well and what nasty trick they said to buyer you can not buy better armor. True but then they made you can buy gems that you equip that gives power.

I hope they do not do same thing with Diablo 4 as with Diablo Immortal make it pay to win to Kingdom Come.

Well and as pay to win goes to far worst example is perhaps upcoming everlasting project Starcitizen MMO. I have never payed for it not interested in it but I know many gamers have payed for a game that perhaps never will be released.