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thx a lot all who have helped, the correct answer was:
[color:"#666666"]sundial hourglass [/color]
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the next one is easy, at least it was to me:

Well hello again, I suppose you’re expecting another riddle? Well you’re right that is exactly what you get.

Which mountain was the highest mountain before Mount Everest was discovered?
(For you picky people, height is considered the part of the mountain above sea level)
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then the one after that one, which i also already knew:

Still with us? Good, then I shall continue, time to give you a number pattern riddle, have fun, it’s simpler than it looks, honest.

1

11

21

1112

3112

211213

Continue….

and another one i solved in a couple of minits:

Right, I do believe it’s time to introduce you to someone, Net Riddle is full of characters, this one is probably not very important but other’s may be important, hehe.

Harry's mother had four children. The first child was named April. The second child was named May. The third child was named June. What was the fourth child's name?
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and now one where i'm stuck at:

Okay now you’ve mastered the individual based riddles, lets try you on a story riddle, here’s the beginning, all you have to do is finish it.

I was walking down the road, when I saw a house wearing…..

the highest mountain, before Mount Everest was discovered was [color:"#304154"] Mount Everest [/color]

the fourth cild is called [color:"#304154"]Harry[/color]

1 [color:"#324352"]one[/color]
11 [color:"#324352"]one one[/color]
21 [color:"#324352"]two ones[/color]
1112 [color:"#324352"]one one, one two[/color]
3112 [color:"#324352"]three ones, one two[/color]
211213 [color:"#324352"]two ones, one two, one three[/color]
[color:"#324352"]312213 three ones, two twos, one three[/color]

Nicely done both of you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

and another one:

An odd riddle, a little British I feel but still raises a smile.

A smooth room has been, try focusing, it cant be done?

I didn't like NetRiddle much. Some of their riddles, like that last one, relied on culture knowledge.

we still have this one also:


You are in a room with four people, of which two always lie and two always speak the truth. You have to find out which of the two are the liars, and which are the truth-tellers.

I wanna know <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

hmm, I want to know the answer too.

@jvb: you have to change your signature:
I wish Larian a lot of succes with their working on [color:"blue"] riftrunner [/color] , and I hope I will experience as much good times with this game as with divine divinity

I was walking down the road, when I saw a house wearing…..
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a chimney.

Kejero, I give up on the four guys, two liars... Could you PM me the answer? It's driving me nuts. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

me too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Ooh right <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Answer to the "four people, two liars, two truthtellers" riddle:

->[color:"#324372"]Lets call our people A, B, C & D

T = always tells the truth
L = always lies

"Same" means both liars or both truthtellers.
"Different" means one is a liar and one tells the truth.
Ask D "IF A AND B ARE DIFFERENT, is A a truth-teller?"

--If D answers yes,
----Ask A "Are B and C the same?"

------If A answers yes
------A=T, B=L, C=L, D=T

------If A answers no
------A=L, B=T, C=T, D=L


--If D answers no,
----Ask A "Are B and D the same?"

------If A answers yes
------A=T, B=L, C=T, D=L

------If A answers no
------A=L, B=T, C=L, D=T


--If D doesn't answer, then it means that
--A and B are the same.
----Ask A "Are C & D the same?"

------If A answers yes,
------A=T, B=T, C=L, D=L

------If A answers no,
------A=L, B=L, C=T, D=T

Explanation: there are six different outcomes, you only get 2 questions. The questions can only be answered yes or no. There is no stipulation that anyone MUST answer a question.
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This is the simple solution. I'll save you the complex one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Sorry it took me so long to reply ... I've been away and only recently returned.

Answer to the Jumping Monks:
[color:"#324372"]
When God tells the monks that the dotted ones must jump at "EXACTLY the same time", these devout literalists realize that there is only one way to meet God's definition of EXACTLY: only one monk must jump. Being men of Faith, and believing that God would not pose a challenge that was IMPOSSIBLE for them to achieve, they deduced the only possible answer: precisely one monk was dotted, no more, no less. Otherwise, if two or more monks were to jump even one trillionth of a nanosecond apart, multiple monks could not possibly meet the EXACTLY requirement.

Comforted by this knowledge, they all walk to the cliff to watch the Chosen One jump off of the cliff on the first day. Of course, the Chosen One would be the only monk who would see that no other monk had a dot on his forehead. Thus, he would know immediately that he is the Chosen One.

Had he sufficient Faith and Courage, he would have jumped then and there on the very first day. But, he did not.

It took three days for the Chosen One to work up the courage to jump. When he finally did, he EXACTLY fulfilled the requirements of God, and (presumably) the World was Saved. [/color]

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> Technically, isn't that two questions?

If D was a liar, why couldn't [color:"#3A495A"]he answer if A and B were the same[/color]? If he tells the truth, [color:"#3A495A"]does not answering mean A and B are the same, or that he is confused trying to answer a conditional question as 'yes' or 'no'[/color]?
Also technically, [color:"#3A495A"]didn't you say you could ask two questions, not that you could get two yes/no answers[/color]?


BeeGee;
All of the monks would willingly sacrifice themselves if they knew for sure that they had a red dot. This means that on the first day, all of the monks must have seen at least one dot. Had there been only one dot the monk would not have seen any (and would have jumped knowing he had the dot), so there must be at least two monks with red dots....

Read previous posts for the solution.

Beegee, you're right about the "EXACTLY". Good job I adviced to ignore the "EXACTLY the same time" and replace it by "12 p.m." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> And before you go cranky on me ( <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> ), since I've written 12 p.m. without any seconds, that would give them a range of one minute to jump <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> See, you're wrong, and I'm right. Blah <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

But at least you tried <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> That counts. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

( <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> )

I disagree. Nothing in the original riddle stated that the monks had a death-wish or the devoutness to willingly sacrifice themselves. In fact, I would argue that God would not have challenged them if it was a given that they would willingly sacrifice themselves without hesitation ... the only reason for God to challenge them (if that was the case) was to see if they were smart enough to solve the riddle: a petty God indeed, if that was the case.

Nonetheless, as to the multiple dotted monk issue, the situation would have been untenable. If you were one of the monks and saw one or more other monks with the dot, you would (a) know that those monks would not know that they had a dot, (b) have absolutely no way to communicate to them that they had the dots, and (c) wonder if you, yourself, had a dot. As the riddle is stated, there is provably no algorithmic solution for any case where the number of dotted monks (X) is any value other than one (1).

Thus, algorithmically, if the value of X is not equal to one (1), then the World would not end if and only if the monks GUESSED right, since they can not possibly KNOW how many dots were given. I doubt that the correct answer to the riddle is that the monks GUESSED correctly -- although I will concede it is possible -- in which case, no one could PROVE that their answer is "the soultion." PROOF, as you know, requires that you disprove all possible negatations of the solution. That's what the one monk solution does. No other solution posted here has met that criterion. Q.E.D.

Stating that the jump occured on the third day does not change the underlying logic, and makes solving the riddle just a little more interesting by adding an irrelevant detail. It is a classic deceptive trick, added to confuse the reader and make solving it taste a little sweeter.

Nope. Given a situation, you ask whether something is true or not. "Suppose this is true, would that be true?". The first part is not a question, it's a hypothetical fact.

One or two questions: "If my socks have different colors, is my left sock orange?"
Suppose you're a liar, and suppose my socks are the same color. Suppose they're green.
Since you ALWAYS lie, you will never answer the truth. Now, the first part of my question, turns the whole question into a hypothetical situation: the fact that my socks are both green becomes irrelevant, and there is no way to KNOW whether my left sock would be orange, if my socks were a different color. So, the answer to the question COULD be either yes or no. And so, you can't answer either because either COULD be true, and you NEVER tell the truth. If you answered, you COULD be telling the truth, so for once in your life you realise you have to shut up! (To put it gently <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />)
Then again, you probably got that part, on to the other technical issue:



A yes or no question is simply a question that can only be answered by yes or no. Hey, that's common knowledge. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
There would be no point in saying you can only ask yes or no questions if they can answer anything they want. They could answer "non of your g*dd*mn business" and then what? Then, compadre, we have a really stupid riddle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

(You don't really want me to post the complex answer to be happy, do you? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> )

BeeGee;

[color:"orange"]I disagree. Nothing in the original riddle stated that the monks had a death-wish[/color]

If a monk knows he has a red dot, he can either not jump and doom the entire world (including himself) to death, or he can jump, save the world and earn some bonus points from god.

[color:"orange"]As the riddle is stated, there is provably no algorithmic solution for any case where the number of dotted monks (X) is any value other than one (1).[/color]

Only if you assume a monk can wait an indefinite number of days before jumping if he knows he has a red dot. If you and another monk have a red dot, the only way to coordinate when to jump is to jump the day you are sure you have a red dot.

[color:"orange"]Thus, algorithmically, if the value of X is not equal to one (1), then the World would not end if and only if the monks GUESSED right[/color]

There is no need to guess. Count the number of dots you see and jump the day after that. All the monks with dots will see one less than those without, and will jump the day before (showing the rest of the monks they do not have a red dot and do not need to jump).


Kejero;

[color:"orange"]Nope. Given a situation, you ask whether something is true or not. "Suppose this is true, would that be true?". The first part is not a question, it's a hypothetical fact.[/color]

If conditional questions that can not be answered (thus providing information) with a yes or no do not count as questions, then that defeats the purpose limiting the number of question you can ask. Any such riddle is no longer a riddle, but a series of conditional question iterating over the possible solution until one question is answered.

Here is the solution with a single yes/no question (using your definition);

[*] If A and B tell the truth and C is a liar, is D a liar?
[*] If A and C tell the truth and B is a liar, is D a liar?
[*] If A and D....

[color:"orange"]You don't really want me to post the complex answer to be happy, do you?[/color]

Not if the complex answer also uses conditional question that do not count if the condition is not met.

But that isn't a yes-or-no quesiton. It's a yes-or-no-or-other question. By adding the condition, you force the posibility of a third answer: nothing or "A and B aren't different."

Although, I do like the answer you gave. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It's jut a symantics thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

what you do is go up to them if they are a man.

the 2 who are truthful say yes.

the 2 untruthful have to say no and so they say no.

simple. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

"what you do is go up to them if they are a man."

Unfortunately, that would not always identify everyone in two questions. If you talked to either the two truth tellers or two liars first that would work, but if you talked to one liar and one truth teller, you would need an additional question to identify the other two people.