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"Hey, you haven't won yet"

Do you want me to come back, so you can bite my legs off? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Black Knight: 'Tis but a scratch.
Arthur: A scratch? Your arm's off!
Black Knight: No, it isn't.
Arthur: Well, what's that then?
Black Knight: I've had worse.


"It was stated that in my answer to this riddle, "the same" means both liars or both truth-tellers."

Yes, but that is only for this reality, when the condition 'If A and B are different' is met. Once A and B are both liars or both truth tellers, we are talking about a different reality, in which your original conventions may or may not be applicable.
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Aha, so you're reaching the state now where you're defending your point without arguments and countering mine with diversions... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> Trying to bleed on me? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


The conventions are made to describe the different reality in the first place.
They were also written in English. You're saying that because A and B are the same, in the reality as we know it I wasn't speaking English, but a language that resembles it and I could just as well have been saying "Oh, suit you, sir!".
But you were joking, right? I mean, bleeding <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

The ladies love a man in a suit sir! Will you be giving her a good seeing-to then sir? Suits you sir!

back to the monks:

They are stupid:
The first day, no one jumped, and the earth still existed.
The second day no one jumped either and the earth still wasn't destroyed.

They all knew god didn't give a time limit.

Couldn't they come to the conclusion they didn't have to jump at all? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Typical of this age to make thing harder than they are <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

That's like... a paradox! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> God said the dots had to jump! He didn't say when they had to jump, so technically, they're allowed to wait forever. But, if they wait forever, the dots never jump, and if the dots never jump, God will destroy the earth! Except that they're allowed to wait forever, so they don't have to jump. But they have to jump... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />
jvb, what are you doing to me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

sorry I tried to read your crazyness over other riddles and then it suddenly struck me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

What are we gonna do now? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

God should have specified he would destroy the world if they failed to jump the day they knew who had the red dots.


another riddle;

Inspector Craig of Scotland Yard was called to Transylvania to solve some cases of vampirism. Arriving there, he found the country inhabited both by vampires and humans. Vampires always lie and humans always tell the truth. However, half the inhabitants, both human and vampire, are insane and totally deluded in their beliefs: all true propositions they believe false, and all false propositions they believe true. The other half of the inhabitants are completely sane: all true statements they know to be true, and all false statements they know to be false. Thus sane humans and insane vampires make only true statements; insane humans and sane vampires make only false statements. Inspector Craig met two sisters, Lucy and Minna. He knew that one was a vampire and one was a human, but knew nothing about the sanity of either. Here is the interview:

Craig (to Lucy) : Tell me about yourselves?

Lucy : We are both insane.

Craig (to Minna) : Is that true?

Minna : Of course not!

From this interview alone, Craig was able to prove which of the sisters was the vampire. Who was it?

if lucy is a human and tells the truth, minna can't be a vampire, cause if the vampire would lie she would say "yes we are" when she was sane, and offcourse not when she was insane. because she had to tell the truth.

If lucy is a vampire who is sane and makes the same statement, they can't be both crazy.
she lies with saying that they are both insane when she is sane, and her sister says they arent both insane, so the minna tells the truth. so she must be the sane human. while lucy is the sane vampire.

Am i correct?

Ohhhh! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> You're not - trying to <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> - insult just me here, but everybody else who supports the answer, and the people who invented it!

I should, but I'm not giving up on you guys! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />
Look, I know the explanation with "different realities" sounds a little "sci-fi". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> It sounds surreal - but that happens to be the whole point in the first place, that's exactly what I've been trying to prove the whole time! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />
A condition has a consequence depending on whether it's met or not. The direct consequence of this condition when not being met, is that the situation I'm asking a question about isn't real.

You disagree that the condition doesn't have any effect on the question in the second part. Suppose I ask you "Is tomorrow Monday?". In reality, tomorrow it's Friday, so the answer is "no".
Now, you are saying that the following question is exactly the same as the one above: "If today is Sunday, is tomorrow Monday?". It obviously isn't same question, because the correct answer to the first question is "no", and the answer to the second one is "yes". Do you agree that the condition made it a completely different question?

That part was easy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> It was already surreal though, but we still KNEW the answer, because it's a certainty that Monday ALWAYS follows after Sunday. The situation with the people in that room is different of course:
Make "Is A a truth-teller?" question (1).
If I'd ask today "If tomorrow is Monday, is A a truth-teller?" (2), the condition wouldn't change anything about the fact that A is ALWAYS a truth-teller, always been, always will be. It does change the question (1) though, despite the fact that the answer (2) would be the same as (1). Not in this situation perhaps, because A ALWAYS lies. But if we were in the situation where A lies on day 1, speaks the truth on day 2, lies on day 3 etc., it would have an influence on the answer (2). Still we didn't change the question (2), just the circumstances. But the fact that in this situation the condition doesn't change the answer (2), doesn't mean that it doesn't change the question (2). So we've got our question (2), and we already said that A is ALWAYS telling the truth. Same with B. B will ALWAYS be a truth-teller. Obviously, this means that A and B will ALWAYS be "the same". That's reality, mr A and ms B, you two will always be the same. You don't have to like it, but it's reality, accept it.
If I now ask mr D "Is A a truth-teller", he will answer "no". Because in reality, A is a truth-teller, and D is lying.
(Btw, lying = deliberatly not telling the truth. That means that in order for you to be able to lie, you have to KNOW the correct answer, you have to KNOW the truth. Agree?)
Now, what if I ask: "If the sky is red, ... ?" If the sky is red? But the sky isn't red you surreal weirdo! No, it isn't. If the sky is red we must be dreaming or hallucinating or something... In any way, we can't be in reality anymore if the sky is red, because the sky isn't "really" red, the sky being red isn't "real"... And we have simply no way to know anything about facts in this "surreality" - it's a purely hypothetical reality. So how can you possibly lie about anything if you can't KNOW the answer in the first place?

The explanation with parallel universes? Sure <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> :
I wasn't asking "Is A a truth-teller?", I was asking "Is A a truth-teller in a surreality", or "Is A a truth-teller in a situation that is different than this one".
A parallel universe = a theoritical reality in which one or more things have happened differently then it has in our reality. Considering that in theory, every reality in which one single event was different from the event in every other reality, is a parallel universe, the number of parallel universes is uncountable.
"Parallel universes" sounds funny, but that's what I'm asking: "Is A a truth-teller in a parallel universe?". The fact whether parallel universes exist is irrelevent; what matters is that they're defined, and according to the definition of a parallel universe, there is un indefinit number out of them there. In an uncountable number of those parallel universes, A is a liar. In as many other parallel universes, A is a truth-teller. So the condition given in the question is obviously not enough information for D to know what parallel universe we're asking questions about.


I warned you you have to think abstract if you want to understand and appreciate the answer, didn't I? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Do you still disagree? If so, it should be easy enough to show the flaw in the explanation. And laughing it away is not a valid argument - I can do that too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


I'm feeling more and more insane looking at the size of this very reply. Did I really write that much?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />




Speaking of insanity: [color:"#324372"]Lucy better stay off my neck! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> (You call that a riddle? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> ) [/color]

I think they are either both sane or insane. Doesn't matter what, but they're "the same", if you know what I mean <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Lucy's indeed the vampire though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

second riddle i solved <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
With 1st one being the monks one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

"Am i correct?"

Yes. Here is the cut-and-paste solution;


There are only two possible cases that could occur given the statements of the girls:

Case 1: They are both insane, which would mean that Lucy must be telling the truth. Since the only insane creature that can tell the truth is the vampire, this makes Minna a human, and since she must be lying by saying that Lucy's statement is false, this makes her an insane human.

Case 2: They are both sane. This could occur if Lucy's statement is a lie, which would make her either an insane human or a sane vampire. This would mean that Minna is telling the truth, which would make her either a sane human or an insane vampire. If Minna were an insane vampire, then her statement would be true, meaning that both must be not be insane. In this case, Lucy must be a sane human, which would tell the truth; however since Lucy's statement is that they are both insane, this would be a lie in this case, so we can rule out the possibility that Minna is an insane vampire and that Lucy is a sane human (at the same time). This leaves Minna being a sane human, which makes her statement true, meaning that both are not insane. Lucy would therefore be a vampire (since we know that one is a vampire and one is a human) and since her statement of them both being insane would be false, she must be a sane vampire. Since this condition agrees with the first condition in this argument, then this is the only possibility for this case.

Summary : The only possible outcomes are;

Lucy is an insane vampire, and Minna is an insane human.
OR
Lucy is a sane vampire, and Minna in a sane human.

Conclusion :
In either of the cases, Lucy must be a vampire, and Minna must be a human.

yes, I got that right then <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
you guys have any more riddles ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Tons of em! How about another abstract one? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Here's some maths for a change: how to prove that 2 = 1. Not really a riddle, but a mathematical flaw. (Moeha! Especially for Raze: a real flaw! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> )
It's a pretty well known one though, so you're likely to have seen it already.

Given: a = b

=> a² = ab
=> a² - b² = ab - b²
=> (a + b)(a - b) = b (a - b)
=> (a + b) = b
=> a + a = a
=> 2a = a

=> 2 = 1 !!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

EDIT: Double post.

[color:"#324372"]Because a = b, (a - b) is 0 in the third line. To get from the third to the forth line, you divide both sides by (a - b). You divide by 0. That's the problem...[/color]

Another fairly simple one:

Travelling to town, you arrive at a cross-roads.

Northern sign reads: This way to the town.

Western sign reads: This way there be dragons. Two of these signs are false.

Eastern sign reads: This way there be dragons. One of these signs are false.

Which way to the town?

follow the one who directs you to the town? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

whoever can tell me what this says gets a cookie!!

YYURYYUBICURYY4ME

Nope.


~[color:"#324352"]Too wise you are, too wise you be. I see you are two wise for me.[/color]~


This one is from a Steel Eye Span song:

White bird, featherless,
Flew from paradise,
Lit on a castle wall.
Along came Lord Landless,
Took it up handless,
Rode along horseless,
To the King's white hall.

We don't actually know the answer to this one. Any ideas?

here you go, handefood!!