I want to thank you all for keeping this realatively civil. It has been a great debate and lynn there is no need to close this thread. Everyone has been polite. This has been a true discussion among friends. Those that agreed with me thank you, those that did not I respect your opinion though I may or may not understand it. I truly wish peace on the world, and though not happy to do so will meet and defeat those who would attempt to take people's freedom. Again thanks everyone.