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oBosch #136704 19/12/03 02:31 PM
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it is in the bible, how can we fight this?

Quite simple: by not believing the bible? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/idea.gif" alt="" />


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it is in the bible, how can we fight this?

Quite simple: by not believing the bible? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/idea.gif" alt="" />


it is more simple than that, if we do not believe in the bible, we become like them!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/alien.gif" alt="" />


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which part of the bible are you referring to, oBosch?
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kiya #136707 19/12/03 02:38 PM
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which part of the bible are you referring to, oBosch?
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it is more simple than that, if we do not believe in the bible, we become like them!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/alien.gif" alt="" />

I do not believe in the bible and I am not an evil person who lies, kills, steals, rapes or whatever. Hmmmm... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />


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it is more simple than that, if we do not believe in the bible, we become like them!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/alien.gif" alt="" />

I do not believe in the bible and I am not an evil person who lies, kills, steals, rapes or whatever. Hmmmm... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />


God says "You are with me or Against me"

that's what I meant by saing we become like them
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God says "You are with me or Against me"

that's what I meant by saing we become like them
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Yeah, that's also what Bush said. He believes in the bible btw...


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God says "You are with me or Against me"

that's what I meant by saing we become like them
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Yeah, that's also what Bush said. He believes in the bible btw...


He says he does!!!

when he was governor of texas how many people did he sentence to daeth penalty?

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no my good friend. there is a fine line betwen saying you believe in something and acting like you believe in that!!!!

he could say anithing, but does he acts like he does?

that's all i'm saying

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I'm sorry you think the US is evil, but we'll see in a few years down the road when Iraq is much better shape than it was with Saddam.

Ah, you mean in a better shape like in Vietnam or Afganistan or Africa? Freedom and Peace, right? If bringing countries into destabilisation and chaos means freedom then i'm honestly scared of it. And please don't try to argue with good and evil always, in such complicated matters any black'n white painting is really beside the point. We are good - they're evil, the other side sees it exactly the same - the other way around. Try arguments instead of the propaganda phrases.

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God says "You are with me or Against me"
that's what I meant by saing we become like them

Funny, probably the arabic terrorist would say the very same thing. "With Allah or against us". It's the same wrong rhetorical approach.


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Since this is no discussion about the Bible, I won't come up with the inhuman passages in it. And that is all I am saying about this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/exclamation.gif" alt="" />


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I'm sorry you think the US is evil, but we'll see in a few years down the road when Iraq is much better shape than it was with Saddam.

Ah, you mean in a better shape like in Vietnam or Afganistan or Africa? Freedom and Peace, right? If bringing countries into destabilisation and chaos means freedom then i'm honestly scared of it. And please don't try to argue with good and evil always, in such complicated matters any black'n white painting is really beside the point. We are good - they're evil, the other side sees it exactly the same - the other way around. Try arguments instead of the propaganda phrases.

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God says "You are with me or Against me"
that's what I meant by saing we become like them

Funny, probably the arabic terrorist would say the very same thing. "With Allah or against us". It's the same wrong rhetorical approach.


I respect your opinion very much Mariam, but there is only one bible and allah is not in it
think about that!!
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Since this is no discussion about the Bible, I won't come up with the inhuman passages in it. And that is all I am saying about this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/exclamation.gif" alt="" />


I respect your opinion also, and you're right, this is no bible topic, my apollogies to all
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OK, either you are just kidding, oBosch, or you really believe in what you are telling here. In either case you can be sure of my pities. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />


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I'm really worried. This is one of the few times i completely have to agree with El'Gi. And that scares even me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


Wenn sie so überlegen sind, warum sind sie dann so tot?
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In the deepest deep of your horrible soul, you always agree with me, Marian. You can admit it. It will be our little secret. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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OK, either you are just kidding, oBosch, or you really believe in what you are telling here. In either case you can be sure of my pities. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />


why should I be kidding?
It is just my opinion, and if you are really smart you know that, It is just my opinion. Now, save your pities for Sadam because he will be the one that needs them, not me, after Bush get's trough with him!!!

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oBosch, what Marian and Elgi are trying to say (if I'm correct) is this:
Believing in something so strongely that you push away the rest is the same blind approach.

You believe in the Bible, Moslems in the Quran, others in something else. You see? You only accept ONE thing as the truth and this makes everything else not corresponding into a "lie" or an "error".

I don't do this: I believe that no one knows the whole, absolute truth - I sometimes even think it doesn't exist, because humans wouldn't even recognise it. Every belief, every philosophy, every religion contains a fragment - and a fragment is never the whole. If you can keep this in mind, you might find yourself more open to arguments you can understand, even if you don't agree to them. And this approach allows to discuss, talk, communicate, listen => bringing the human race around one table.

If a strong belief excludes the rest, it can turn into black/white thinking. I really hope, I could express myself clearly, difficult to explain.
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I couldn't say it better. By far not. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />


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oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now i do understand!

i didn't get the hole point with the previous post.
once again you will have to excuse my english(wich by the way is not very good)

forgive my ignorance in not understanding the correct meaning of the words.
now that kiya explain it to me that way i do understand the mistake I did by using those words to try to say something I do not intend do say.

my apologies to all, and hope that you can forgive me.
from now on i will try harder to be more clear of what i'm trying to express!!

no harm, no foul

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Good, that's what understanding is about - you don't have to agree, but you can still understand why the other person said something. And it's not easy all the time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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In my case: nothing to forgive, oBosch <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

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