Larian Studios Forums General Chat Saddam is caught

Ok, then that's settled. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

hey kiya, thanks for the reply which u shared with us your views & experiences. i'm sure it helps me a lot in learning how different people having very different XP, mindsets, styles & methods.

& elgi, thanks for your reply as well which u're being very civil. it is very nice to have intelligent discussions with intelligent people.

"Correct, no inkling, I'm an outsider - no interest to fit into a community that excludes - and this is done by every religion/philosophy/belief. I go my own paths - they are correct for me. I need no herd to feel comfortable in. I watch, I observe with distance (having my spaceship ready for take off then )

Why? I saw too much in my life, Janggut. I saw buddhist monks hitting Hindus, I saw Moslems throwing stones, I saw Christians behaving the same way. I heard a priest wanting to force me to accept Apartheid as something that was God's will - and many more things. Correct, no inkling. I have been knocked too much by beliefs/philosophies/political systems to believe even in one of it.

But I respect people who believe - IF they don't need to convice others to think the same way. And if they do? I then conclude this: they are INSECURE and need outer support in form of "fans" to cover their own insecurity." kiya

again i can only tell u of what i know & think as a christian(who happens to be the lowliest of all christians), that christian community, at least in its idealistic form is never one to put pressure on any to adopt the beliefs. it is sad however that history has proved otherwise. such as the case of the crusades. but blame not the belief but the leaders who exploited it to their own ends. i myself have seen my own churchmember chased out somebody who's not from our denomination from the church area. i cried seeing this happened. u see, i believe in unity of humankind, be it religiously, or politically, or love. it is my number one crazy dream which i know can never happen in my lifetime. nevertheless i still put my hopes in it for i want the future generation to have better future without hate & fear.

i'm sorry about that crazy priest believing in apartheid. & proud of u that u rejected his view. christianity never preach racism.

convincing others about their beliefs, it's no more diferent than advertising & promoting as well as sharing with others something u think is important such as virtues of recycling & reducing pollution. minus their crazed fervour, they're just people similar to salesperson, environmentalists, etc.

"I disagree here - I call it cowardice, I call it trotting old paths without looking at the green grass next to it. I call it lazyness of the brain - IF people don't question themselves why they believe what they believe. If they find reasons to still believe, then I respect, I just don't like it if people don't question themselves over and over again. If people choose security out of fear (being an outsider, being alone etc) then they will always remain in their own prison. And this causes harm to all.

You see, what might be a pitfall for you, might be a safe cave for someone else, a chance to learn more - a test etc. And the Iraq crisis is an interesting subject for me to study human behaviour, here on the forum, in the newspapers, internet etc." kiya

this is something we should take with grains of salt. now when parents say not to go out alone, children should pay heed to this even if they think it's ridiculous as they can take care of themselves. the choice of trotting old paths versus venturing is ultimately up to everyone of us. i won't deem it as cowardice, unless it's peer pressure that decides for u or some other external factor that made the unwanted choice.

choices we made merely relfect our preferences. how we walk in the paths will show what each person is made of. i may take the well used path with agenda different from others. or i may take a new path just to convince myself that i'm unique or that i sucked badly in the old path. just like cars that travel down the same road, how each is driven depends mostly on the thinker, who happens to be the driver.

if i misconstrue your words, please correct me, ok?

I agree, the choice via old/new paths is always up to one's self - if the person chooses <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />. Choice is meant as a result of consciencous self-reflection, correct (that's no cowardice then)? Then I respect it. If someone chooses (really chooses, meaning this: I see the grass, I see the path) then it was self-reflection. This was all I meant <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - and if this person likes to take the old path and doesn't call over to those on the green grass:" Here you HAVE to come over, only my path is the correct one. If you don't you'll be damned, you're wrong, I hate you, or you do it because you hate me etc." = ok, totally ok, IMO. Real children need a gentle form of guidance for a while IMO so they learn how many paths exist (if the parent knows several paths). But then? I think you know what I would prefer = let them go.



Yes, I agree, HOW we walk shows the quality, not the path itself <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - IMO IMO IMO <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> - the way we walk it, may even add to quality to this path. I've met Christians who simply lived their belief, in a way that impressed me very much. I liked to watch them, they lived not talked about it, let alone trying to convince others. They answered if I asked, yes. But they simply explained, they felt no need to tug me over. Why? Well, just my opinion again: they felt no need to. They didn't depend on my approval, my convertion or whatever to make their path "more right" for them. My different opinion was no rejection for them, no "if you're not for me your against me". I think, they were just self-secure enough.
Kiya

Well, this is what I like, respect and try to live myself: see a path as an offer and leave the decision up to me if I follow or not. Same goes for what I say: An offer, free to take or to leave, even if my words may be felt stronger than I intend to.

peace, don't we all believe in peace? Well almost all. Who doesn't believe in harming poeple beeing wrong? Offcourse there such poeple, but we can say we all wish for peace.

Then we have religions, like cristianity says not to hate, not even your worst enemies, everyone is equal. Tho they felt so superior to other religions and even more to atheïsts. You say you can't blame belief but the ppl abusing it? then why do ppl just take that abuse as normal? Christianity has been abused so much, and will be abused even more. Like most other religions.

IMO, the very basic idea of an religion is so very wrong to humanity, Why are there Moslims, Christians, Jews etc? if the very basic idea of these religions are exact the same? "GOD". Why can't ppl just say, I believe in a "God"? instead of I'm moslim and Allah is great? They've fought in the name of the very same thing. If you believe in that there is only one god, and every human is its child he cares about? then why did moslims fight jews in the name of god? All this suffering has been done in the name of god and only in the name of god. Every single person IMO who strongly supports his religion is guilty of that suffering, because without that iron will propagate, defend, honor your relegion. There wouldn't have been this suffering.

And IMO it's time all believers start to see this, to open their eyes and see all "Godsdiensten" wich is dutch for Religions and litterally "Services of god" are one and the same in its basic believe. heck most allready know this but still they tag, label themselfs as Christian, as Jew, as Moslim. And thats what wrong with Religions, Religions are basicly just labels of the of little differences in the same believe.

I personally don't beleive in god, but I respect everyone to have his own believes. I believe in wearing no label, if I believe in reincarnation or not is my persoonal believe, not what the hurde says me to believe. If everyone would accept that, you may use your brain to believe in what you want. And if poeple wouldn't hate ppl for not believing the same, hate here is a to stong word for it. Just thinking someone is different than you, less good or better because the believe in something else is so wrong.

Be yourself. Not a christian or moslim or ..., just yourself and what you believe in.

YEAH <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kissyou.gif" alt="" />
Kiya



Really guilty, Dragh? Do your really believe that without religion this suffering wouldn't have been? If there had been no crusades in the name of a "God" - maybe other reasons would have been there to justify this mass murder: land, oil, power, influence etc.?

I'm meaning this: if a country/group/individual needs a reason to fight, every label comes handy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> IMO. And the label can be ... anything, even a religion - and every label can be twisted/turned/fitted into justifying violence/aggression/war.

A knife is a knife - it can be used to spread butter, as a screwdriver, a killing instrument. It's always the knife... but they way it is used makes the difference. Who is "guilty/responsible"? The knife? The hand leading the knife? The person who has created this instrument? If there were no knife -> another instrument would do the same job.

Someone once told me "Religion is for the Living and Faith is for the Dying". What does this mean?

Humans by their nature are always looking for something to strive for - religions are the visible expressions of that need to have something bigger and better to strive for. Faith, on the other hand, is something that each individual either has or doesn't. No one can give you faith - it must come from within.

If we look at most religions - they are fear based:
Christianity (the one I'm most familiar with) is based on if you're not "good" you're going to go to Hell; others are based on reincarnation and the fact that if you do something or fail to do something in this life you will have to deal with it in the next. Perhaps others who know the different religions more could give real examples?

I, personally, don't feel that any "religion" is completely right or wrong. Because I have an ultimate need to believe that there is a creator - I do. I don't believe that there is a separation between good and evil - I believe there is just one - the Creator. Why do I believe that? Because I have issues with something just being created <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />. And yes, I understand that there is an issue with that. Who created the Creator? LOL - Just no clear cut answers are there?

Now, for my last irreverent thought, Have any of you considered that we're all just some extremely sophisticated form of a computer simulation? We now have the Sims and Sim City programs where we can teach our avatars to do certain things and then let them do things on their own. What if we're just some extremely sophisticated AI computer program and we're allowed to do things on our own until the designer decides they have to throw in a few natural desasters or a bad guy such as Saddam into the mix? Side note here: Wouldn't it be great if we knew when we entered the game who the bad guys were and that it was okay to just get rid of them??

Even if we are just a part of this AI program - Does it matter? We think, we feel, we breathe, we hurt, we love, we laugh - we try to make our lives mean something. If we've touched someone else and made their lives a little better by just being here, isn't that what matters most?

Saddam as a boss monster or a bug? A test for the "gamer"? In multiplayer?
Kiya, fascinated

Definitely a boss monster! I'm not sure about Osama though... He might be a boss monster who has teleport ability and not just stuck in one act either since he seems to be able to go where he wants to <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />. What do you think?

It would still be nicer if all the bad guys had red "X's" on them or you knew that only the people in town were your friends. LOL - life would be soooo much easier! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Hmm, Osama, the Black Ring member <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> - DQ, it's easy: follow the main game plot <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> - read the quest log and don't forget to check out Raze's download fixes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />
Red X is nice, you don't have to decide then if you're right/wrong with your perception - and as we're in that already: Please include autosave/quicksave/save.
Kiya <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

@ Janggut yes I'm a lost lady.....can get lost in a round room....LMOA.


All I'M trying to say is all Terrorism has to stop!! No more people dying! Let's try a lil more LOVE and less war! That's my motto, could be why I have so many kids..but that's another story.....lol <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

And I still believe EDUCATION is the answer!!

Hmmm, if we get autosave and save and all that then I want to be able reload to. You know the "Ooops, I didn't get the sword I wanted that time" so go back to previous save. Actually I'd like it better if I could do the Bill Murray thing from the movie "Ground Hog Day" where he had to live one day over and over again until he got it right - but he learned from what he did - he didn't just start over. Wouldn't that be great? How often do we say "I wish I'd known ten years (or a year or a day or even 5 minutes if it's critical) ago what I know now". Of course, if we made different decisions ten years ago we probably wouldn't know what we know now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

Hmmm, if we get autosave and save and all that then I want to be able reload to. You know the "Ooops, I didn't get the sword I wanted that time" so go back to previous save. Actually I'd like it better if I could do the Bill Murray thing from the movie "Ground Hog Day" where he had to live one day over and over again until he got it right - but he learned from what he did - he didn't just start over. Wouldn't that be great? How often do we say "I wish I'd known ten years (or a year or a day or even 5 minutes if it's critical) ago what I know now". Of course, if we made different decisions ten years ago we probably wouldn't know what we know now.
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lol I love that movie.

funny movie.

@kiya, im not saying there wouldn't be suffering without religion, what I meant is religion has been the cause for suffering so much, that without "religions" there wouldn't have been as much. Saddam would still have been an evil man, but many evil ppl act in the name of their religion. If those poeple wouldn't be so severly commited to that religion they wouldn't have made that suffering. I even think this is very obvious. The lesser reason to do harm to better, religion is for many poeple a reason to do harm, so no religion, less harm could be done.

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and the creator would have made his alter ego into the game, "bill gates" ^^.

Ah, thought you meant it that way, Dragh - but if water does not find a way down south, it takes another way. Meaning this: Even if no religions would exist, mankind might find other reasons to rip out each other throats. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> - if they feel so heavily committed to something that they want to fight.

If the will to harm is there, the flag can have every name/colour etc. - doesn't have to be the religious banner only. Maybe I'm wrong.
Kiya

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> Sad to say but I agree Kiya. Throughout history mankind has fought for many things and most of them are based on "I want".

I want your land, it has a stream and mine doesn't.
I want your woman, she is beautiful.
I want you to believe the way I do so I will fight to make sure that you do.

However, there are times to fight that I think are valid:
I see someone beating a child - do I turn away and hide my face and ignore that child's pain?
I see a gang beating up one person, do I run away or do I ignore it?
I see a neighbor being taken advantage of by someone unscrupulous - do I fight for their rights or do I just say that's not my business?

Admittedly all of these are not physical fights - some can be fought with laws (if the law is in place to protect the people). Some can be fought with words, if the people involved are reasonable. Sometimes you have to be willing to fight and die for what you believe in - you just have to make sure that it is just.

It would be great if we always knew what the right thing to do was. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" /> Dragh you're right! Billy would be perfect as the creator, but if all the stories I've heard are true - it may have been someone elses idea first. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

And who defines what is just? Where does justice start and self-justice end? Who/where is the referee, the judge, the lawyer, the solicitor?

Who defines the "correct reasons"?
Kiya

Me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

BG, the Wise Guy (therefore, referee, judge, solicitor, and cheerleader)

P. S. What was the question? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> BG the wise ***. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kissyou.gif" alt="" />

you should know DQ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

hello BG, the question is; if saddam is your best friend & he's ruining the whole world, what would u do?

ok ok, so that is not the question at hand & that kiya & i have hijacked this thread to another topic but still it's remotely related to the main theme; saddam our 'best friend'.

dragh, i'm sorry that u have to feel that way about religion. & yes, even as a christian i agree that 'God' that we worshipped is more than the religion itself. as how a priest in my church said it when he talked of different denominations of christianity: "God is bigger than u, bigger than this church, bigger than the catholics, anglican, islam, buddhism etc, bigger than the whole world & of course the universe that he created. so what makes u think God is limited to just us catholics?"

kiya's right about mankind's need to find excuse to do the things they do. if u say religions cause so much trouble, what of those who are anti-religion? such as communists who did their worst on communist russia, china, indochina where they not only decimate their own, they also almost eradicate their culture & intellects. is this kind of sterilisation needed to clean the world of religions? they're all wolves! the only difference is that they wear different skins for disguise.

dqueene, i beg to differ on the views of religions being fear-based. the essence of most religions are faith-based. either u believe it or u don't. what makes religions look as if they're fear-based is that the preachers made them look that way. if there is 'fear of God' mentioned in the bible, it's actually more to 'awe of God'. the word 'fear' is miscontrued a lot. just like the word 'jihad', meaning holy war, is misconstrued a lot by some muslims.

religion, culture, tribes; these are things that help humanity identify with one another. if we do not have those, it's very hard for humanity to connect. now if i say video games are evil & that the whole industry should be banned & never to be revived again, would u agree? of course u won't as u know gaming isn't evil. if only those who opposed would see it for themselves.

the same can be applied to religions. before u condemn it, try it first. if it sucks, ok leave it. but if u like it... . just looking over the fence is hardly called observation, let alone judging.