Larian Studios Forums General Chat Thinly veiled political statement in BD?

HandEFood I said this was just how I felt, you have no reason to insult me! I don't care if its different then what you said!

conflicting vieewa, bahh, [email]WARR@!![/email]


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just joking!


I wouldn't go so far as to say all who smoke go to um, that place. i just think they have it coming.

well, now that we are conscious about things like this, the question (oh no, another one & we haven't even answer mandrake's) is; what are we going to do about it? something? nothing?

buy something not tested on animals? buy things that are? couldn't care less? unless something happens to either u or your loved ones? well, we can argue & fight over all these issues, but can we to be accountable not only for ourselves but for others? do we just pooh-pooh the rest, saying we only fend for ourselves while the rest will have to take care of themselves? well there's an extent to all that we say & do but are we conscious of it & think whether we care or not about our thoughts & deeds & how the implications can affect other people?

oh my head is spinning. i better lie down. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

*Conducts medical experiments on Janggut while he is asleep*

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*wakes up to see mandrake's crooked tails*

what the heck, mandrake!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> do u think us whiskers, moustachios, beards have no right?! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> u can't just shave us off! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

@ LordMalis
Oh no please don´t feel sorry. I did not feel that you cheapened my words. I just wanted you to know that my sadness was sincere and not just kind sympathy. It is just because I try to forget my tragedies (because what you said is true, everyone has a personal tragedy befall them), and look other´s people tragedies. Makes me feel less selfish. Anyway I like you my Lord and you don´t have to worry I don´t get so easy offended. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Only with bad taste jokes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

On topic now :
I am smoking from 17. Do I deserve to die? I would save both people Mandrake (If I could). No one deserves to die from an illness that takes away your dignity and makes you loose your hair from therapy, be in so much pain that you have to take morphine and eventually be in a hospital bed just melting...

Okay, I have been going back and forth on whether to even post my opinion but Mandrake got these old fingers tapping on the keyboard and this is what came out:

[color:"orange"] Wow! We get to play God and I've been waiting for this chance my whole life. So, who is it again we are saving first? Is it a 30 year old man who has smoked 40 years and has leukemia? Or is it a 12 year old who smoked for 30 years and lived a faultless life style? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> I think we need to get our players right before we make any life altering decisions. *My head is spinning*

I hate to tell you this, Mandrake and you're probably not going to believe this but "Life is fatal." Period. End of story. Tomorrow is promised to no one. So, let's say we choose and save the 12 year old. She is released from the hospital and is killed in a car accident on her way home. But we feel good about our choice because our "intentions" were good.

Or, let's choose to save the 30 (or is it 40??) year old smoker. He's cured, goes on to become a medical health activist, wins the Nobel prize, impacts millions of people's lives in a positive way and even gets the chance to see his children have their own children.

Hmmmm, who do we save?[/color]

Listen, what it all boils down to [for me] is I am one of those people whose lives was saved because of animal testing. By all rights, I should not be here today. And because of technological advances, I'm not only alive, but am walking again after being told I probably never would. I still have a long way to go medically, but I, for one, am thankful that there are scientists who test animals to find cures for disease. Is my life any less valid because I do not work a 9-5 job? Do I make any less of an impact on my community because I am disabled? Because my medical and personal needs are much more expensive than the average able bodied individual, does that mean *my* life isn't worth saving?

I didn't ask for this illness, nor do I deserve it. No one does and anyone who says that a person deserves cancer because of a lifestyle choice has lost their compassion. And I'll go one step further and say it is this type of attitude that has brought us to the destructive nature we see in humanity today. The "I'm better than you," attitude and I think it's foolish.

So, Mandrake - consider yourself flamed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />



Faralas <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />

Has this now become a thread about cancer or hat ?

A teacher of mine (in Biology) once said, that "considering the many possibilities to get cancer, it's almost better to die first", in this sense. It can happen to anyone, anytime. And even Dinosaurs had this.

I think it's about hats, but I could be wrong. (j/k) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />


Faralas <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />

Faralas: Awesome post. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

Fortunately for us people like Mandrake & Lews ain't doctors. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> You can never predict if the life you save is worth saving so you have to save them all.

Not to start a flame war but I don't believe living in an average city is any less dangerous than smoking. Don't believe the catalytic converters on your car will save you either. There's still enough carbon monoxide and cyanide in an average exhaust emission to rival a breath of passive smoke. Not to say emissions haven't improved however. I remember as a child growing up near our local steelworks and seeing a massive red sky in the daytime. (Clouds of rust)

Anyway, I live in a city AND smoke, so I'm F*cked! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> I just hope my genes behave themselves and my body can tolerate the abuse I give it.

I am smoking from 17. Do I deserve to die? I would save both people Mandrake (If I could). No one deserves to die from an illness that takes away your dignity and makes you loose your hair from therapy, be in so much pain that you have to take morphine and eventually be in a hospital bed just melting...
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I think all of us would try to save both people.
cancer. erg. no comment, based on too much xp.

of corse you don't! I'm just saying that its a nasty thing (but so is drinking so what the hell!) and people who smoke shouldn't be suprised that they are a lot more able to get lung cancer than someone who doesn't.

And Yes, Womble, you better hope I never become a doctor.
and cicties are pretty bad, but they're so full of things to do, like, um, go on my computer!

I ain't worried in the slightest about that..... You won't. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

So if we had to choose between two people to save, should we go for survival of the fittest? What if a young Stephen Hawkings was one of the two? Should we let the crippled boy die without realising what a great mind was in that body?

This statement was also in Divine Divnity with the two wounded soldiers in Aleroth, and the three plague victims in Rivertown. The healers of Aleroth refused to decide who would die. The plague dilemma forced you to decide who would die. I really would have liked to see all three victims provide a unique reward for saving them. Only Sir Patrick's son had any follow on, nothing as it was.

@ Faralis: Then again maybe the 30 year old smoker would relapse and die anyway, and the little girl you didnt save might have been the nobel prize winner <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Its all semantics.

@ Everyone: My point is that I have little pity for people who damage themselves KNOWING what they do is harmful. Dont tell me you didnt have a choice. Im 33 and Ive been told all my life smoking was bad. Noone makes you do it. You make a choice. And before I get flamed for this, I have no pity for myself either. Ive been drinking since I was 15 and my liver must be in a hell of a state. Id hate for someone who was a victim of circumstance to miss out on an operation because it was givin to me, a victim of my own stupidity. I still drink but I gave smoking away when breathing became a chore <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Doctors cant save everyone. Its not possible. If they could the world would be a lot more populated than it is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Someone has to get priority and its a descision made every single day in every single hospital all over the world. My real regret as is that those with the most money get the most priority. End rant <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

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@ Everyone: My point is that I have little pity for people who damage themselves KNOWING what they do is harmful. Dont tell me you didnt have a choice. Im 33 and Ive been told all my life smoking was bad. Noone makes you do it. You make a choice. And before I get flamed for this, I have no pity for myself either. Ive been drinking since I was 15 and my liver must be in a hell of a state. Id hate for someone who was a victim of circumstance to miss out on an operation because it was givin to me, a victim of my own stupidity. I still drink but I gave smoking away when breathing became a chore
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thats what I ment to, little pitty. EDIT: on 2nd thought, let me take this one out.

er, let me run now and eat somebody.....

Well there was a bit of a cheat with that but the priciple is sound.

Mandrake: Didn't ask for pity and I don't want it. Do you not treat the sky-diver with the broken back 'cos, well he was asking for it right?
The list of people who risk their own lives is endless. Leave smokers the hell alone. I'm personally sick to the back teeth of being the sole reason for the evil in society. (It feels like that sometimes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />)

actually the sole reason for eveil in societ, is well, evil. and bush of course. I think that I can't feel that much pity, but you can't blame people for that! Its like saying anyone who has ever had a speeding ticket is the reason that so many people starve everyday!

Well I did say it just feels like that. I realise of course it isn't. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

My main point though is you cannot discriminate in medical treatment for people who injure themselves through their own stupid actions. Smoking is singled out by many lobbyists and pressure groups unfairly IMO.

Bush ain't evil, just dumb.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Does this mean that dumbness is sometimes evil ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

acting dumb while beeing smart is evil. But I wouldn't know I am not that smart.


*prepares to take over world with fish*

haven't read the whole discusion yet but here's my point

Life's a b|tch and ain't fair. get over it try to enjoy it and hope that death doesn't come to quick

I agree - if we did this consequently =>
what about all overweight people and their diseases (blood pressure, heart etc.)
Those eating too much meat? (Rheumatism, Lumbago, BSE etc.)
Alcoholics?
Drug addicts?
Haemophilia and getting infected by HIV-blood transfer?
People doing dangerous sports?
People driving too fast and getting injured badly? or permanently severed?
Tourists visiting foreign countries, don't take protection med and are chronically ill? (Malaria, intestine diseases?)
Those daring to get pregnant without doing a pre-natal genetic test?
Those climbing on a ladder and breaking their spine?
Those living in polluted areas and getting ill?
Those leaving their house and having a brick fall down on them?
Etc. etc.
Kiya

Where would those social Darwinists with an Old Testamental attitude draw a line ("serves you well, die")? Who is in the position to judge? What about denying any treatment, because someone took the stupid risk to live? Yes, I'm getting ridiculous now - as ridiculous as this part of the discussion is.

My opinion: Life is precious, regardless of race, breed, colour, amount of legs => the first step to an inhuman community is => separation, adding/taking value. The next - not-more-so-large step => euthanasia? Either passive, by denying treatment or ... maybe active?

Germany had a terrible past in this discrimination. It started by saying => a race is not worth to live - went on by saying, disabled are not worth to live and would have probably ended in => all those too small, too thin, too infertile, too darkhaired/fairhaired whatever don't deserve to live.

HEY! Wake up! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />