Cancer may not be man-made but we sure as hell helped it along, I've seen and euthenised pet mice with cancerous growths larger than the mouses head, I'm sure many cancers werent even heard off before "civilisation" came along, damaging the ozone and pumping the earth full of chemicals and destroying forests. I'm sure lung cancer wasnt an everyday word before humans decided to do odd things with tobbacco leaves and skin cancer before we F#$*ed with the environment. Who knows what chemicals trigger cancers, we encounter a great deal of them in our everyday activities in varying amounts without even realising, (comparatively only a small amout would have occured naturally without human intervention) life has become a russian roulette and we dont have any idea whats going to pull the trigger. I dont mean to paint all researchers as evil torturers, the majority are only people doing their job with the best intentions. There are a great deal of experiments done on animals that are unessesary and with our technology and ingenuety we should be able to find alternatives. Besides animal testing the next or maybe worse (looking at world wide scale numbers) animal cruelty is the conditions of animals bred for our food, pigs and battery hens for example have no semblance of a normal life. Strangely enough most people will become outraged over vivisection, animal testing and endangered species yet not utter a word when it comes to cruelty of domestic animals. A pig and a chook may not be as cute as a chimp or a baby harp seal but they feel pain and fear just the same. Anyway I feel Im dominating this thread and pushing it on the lee side, lets get back to the thinly veiled political statements in BD, if we look hard enough we can see a lot more Im sure <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />