Faralas, I was brought up overseas, so I saw quite a few cultures dealing with their animals - I don't think, it's copyright of Western culture to illtreat and abuse animals. And what I saw as a child has made me to the animal protecting adult - in fact wanting to protect the weaker (regardless of legs and race)

Could you agree, not all animal testing is necessary? And it would be better, if scientist worldwide would cooperate, so the amount of suffering lab animals is reduced? Or, even better, taking cells to experiment whenever possible? And leaving out experiments, which only satisfy scientific ego curiosity? I miss ethics in natural sciences - and this was the main cause, why I made my biology teacher unhappy and refused to take up a scientific career.

Could you agree, "economic" animal breeding is torture - and in the end causing mankind to suffer? BSE or the human equivalent Jacob-Kreutzfeld-Syndrome is manmade, because vegetarians were forcibly turned into carnivorous. Look what SCARS is doing now, coming from Asia - look at the conditions on these farms. Do you know under which conditions living animals are transported? When I was in a hostel in South Africa, we had to pass a certain slaughter house on our way to church (forced to pray and hear death cries <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" /> )

BTW, I saw Fox's "humanity" as a synonym for my word "inhumankind". There's more to say about this species I belong to and am ashamed of very often. It's not only the way we treat creation/nature - no, it's even the way we treat our own race <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> . Sometimes I wish our life span was very very long (200-300 yrs) and our fertility would be reduced dramatically, why? So we would experience the outcomes of short-thought economic greed, egoism and brutality.
Kiya <errhm, how much place does a soap box give? Getting a bit crowdy>