Larian Studios Forums Beyond Divinity (English) Help/Tips/Tricks Moral issues

To every one of dubious morals,
Just thought I would check, but after you have been running around in the citadel solving quest etc. Do you then take of your guard armor and slaughter everyone (I do it gives lots of experience and goods) or do you find it immoral to kill people you have talked too. Mostly I had some moral hangovers over killing the helpful dishwasher.

Same here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> - I did this once to see how many XP I got => but it was no fun for me. I reloaded. Guess, I have too many emotions to become a real tactical XP-craving gamer.

Was the same in other games for me - there were enemies I just couldn't kill without feeling bad (unicorns, centaurs in MM => avoided them by invisibility and flying)
Kiya <softie>

Well greed got the better of me...I did all the quests I could with the guards then decided that the only humane thing to do was to butcher them all horribly...

I was doing them a favour...Samuel would have done worse when he found out they let me go! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

I find it impossible to kill characters that are not necessary to be dead from the game plot. No matter how much xp I get. And to be honest I hate that contradiction : In most of RPG games you are supposed to be the good guy, who saves the world and fights the evil. On the other hand in order to gain xp you kill even if that is not necessary. And in the end you became the evil one without even knowing it. Nope, not for me.

Nice topic btw.

Blood exists for a reason... it must flow

Have to say I don't have any problems killing anyone in the game, except for the imp at fergus and the frog that has the ball in the well...

Think I'm easily influenced, cause if there wouldn't have been anything about "let me live please!" or "that poor frog" etc I would have had their blood on my swords in a heart beat. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

Aye I can't kill the poor little dudes either! And boy do I feel bad when one of them in the village says '...my skin burns...'

Poor little guy, what a trooper.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

I let both live - and refused to fulfill the ball quest <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> - that brat needed a few manners! (Ouch... Fred => Fredric/Larian Studios?) In former versions I could steal the ball and let Froggie live, now I can only refuse <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

Well, it might be a nice idea to actually code moral conduct in the game and have it influenced by helping others or killing them, stealing other people's items etc, and having it influence the game and the ending. Might be a good idea for DD2? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I hadn't planned on it,but I forgot to put my guard armor back on towards the end,and they found me out.I would switch it to go in the battlefields.
Because of this I missed out on the exp,giving back the books,to the merchant,and medical officer,so maybe it evened out. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

Puck

I tend to play "lawful good" and won't kill a NPC just for gain.

On the other hand, what I see in the citadel aren't innocent civilians going about their business - they are the army of a supposedly evil demon who is doing bad things to many people. I see no moral dilemma in wiping the place out in the hope of slowing the demon's conquests, slaughters, tortures etc.

As a "good" aligned player I feel that the "lava" ending to chapter 1 is appropriate (to destroy the demon's physical resources as well as personnel) so anyone I kill would have died anyway, I figure. What a waste <smile> to let them die without contributing xp and loot to the cause of good!

But, Ariana, wasn't the gay medic sweet? Or those hungry soldiers, thinking lizards are delicate? Some were forced to join the army as you can learn by some comments. And what about the letter in the recruit room? About Andras, who "disappeared"? No pity for the poor dishwasher? Or laughing/speaking leading to severe penalties?

I considered my blowing up the Citadel merely as destroying the entrance... not killing. Don't take away my illusions? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

In the citadel I put every last guard to the sword, was quite funny when Samuel contradicts your actions in game (The rum thing) but mostly it depends on how amusing the characters are, I had nothing against the imps because I love their little squeaky voices and they werent causing any harm. Floogefrogs and other harmless creatures just get in my way and I always end up attacking them accidentally anyway. But yes I generally kill everyone, guess that's why i'm so rich <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Next play through once i've got to know the game a little more i'll try different styles and see what works, who knows... I might even let the little froggies live <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Tericia.

You realize that by chucking the bomb into the forge, the resultant explosion probably killed a bunch of them anyway, right?

They're NPCs. They exist only for interacting with players. When the player's done interacting with them, they serve no other purpose except to spray valuable arrows out of their cooling corpses. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

I had a little problem with killing the imp for the treasure in the cave with the diamond track. The poor, little guy probably needed it more than I did.. Killed him though, but I didn't feel good about it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

As the old dragon above said (Kiya) it is said in the game that the soldiers do not want to be in Citadel. They are forced to join in and they are forced to torture prisoners. When I got into a room I saw a soldier who was afraid to go out. After finished talking to me he was shivering like crazy. Simply could not kill him. Nor the Imps. They are so sweet and kind! There are Battlefields for me to gain xp. And I always can slaughter Death Knights... This is a great joy indeed.

Aasgaard, it was not necessary to kill the treasure imp - there was nothing vital in his chest part. I let him live - he would not have taken the skill book.
Kiya

Biflspud, this is probably the cause, why we don't agree about the game => BD world awakened emotions in my case. I don't see them as pixels, serving a purpose - I treat them as if I was living in this world. Guess, it's an identification difference. And I don't attack, what doesn't attack me. Except... DKs, of course and maybe a race called Biflspuds? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> Depends on, if you have the cute eyes of a lava crawler, guess I couldn't do it either.

Well yes I also repent my evil ways and could not get my self to kill a poor animal just for a stupid boys ball (nasty manners too, wouldnt mind putting him to my sword hehe) And I dont kill imps either they are too much fun <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I am only sorry that the do you want to attack these creatures then they will be your enemy for the rest of the game message is only there in the beginning. I hate having to kill all these creatures for no experience anyway, and ofcourse I dont want to be responsible for exterminating any endangered species, nor be the last living thing in the world <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />

This is why I had to reload countless times, Sauron - or got killed, cause my leading char ran around in peace mode and my reactions were too slow. I feel with you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> - wish, it wasn't a prob to implement a check question as in Act 1.
Kiya

yes I do the same thing, every time I accidentally attaack a frog or some other neutral creature I reload. But it does get annoying in the long run (I even started pausing every time I move when I am in areas with lots of them) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

What about this?

1. Keep mouse pressed and drag your chars along instead of clicking to chosen location

2. keep leading char unarmed and char 2 in aggressive combat mode (my archer was this)

3. in tricky areas (lava, crowded etc) => make both unarmed and click your way through.