I didn't have so much trouble with the big orcs as I was pretty high lvl by the time I wandered over there. The ones that got me were those 'special insane skelatons' or somesuch... they are really nasty at lower level! I had to drag one into the elven village and he took out a couple elves before they finally knocked him down... I think they put them in there to cut down on the potion supply in the game! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />