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Yes, but its good that the illegal people are avoiding it.
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And xAcex, people that don't want the illegal version of a starforce game? What in hell are you talking about... There is a difference between "to want" and "able to get".
Are you saying that illegal games are hard to get hold or something? Someone in here has already said they can post a link to it. You'll have to tell me about that "Diffenence" sometime <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Like I said, this isn't going down well with anyone apart from the ignorant. But as I uderstand it, that's a pretty big market too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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On a sidenote, a lot of people bitch on "warez" forums about starforce and how hard it is to crack. There are people even saying to go buy a starforce game in the shop, not do anything with it and go back an hour later to say "I can't get it to work, must be the copy protection or something."
That's just sick, and xAcex, I wonder if you're a part of that, if you can't accept that a company like Larian is trying to defend itself from illegal activities because the law can't really help out, by being illegal (if you want to call it like that) themselves in order to stay alive.
I'm sick and tired of people going all nuts because their "rights" are somewhat hindered in a very small way. But then again they don't care at all about the people that want to prevent their work from spreading for free on the internet. Nah, I don't take games back that I can't copy... 'Cos there aren't any <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" /> Larian are breaking the law by doing this, so don't bitch about the pirates, and the gamers who return their product because of CP. They have a right to protect their software; not the disc which it's on. I'm personally sick and tired of people harping on about a subject they know nothing about. I wonder if you're part of that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />
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Umm. The CP is for people's own good, and the company's.
Larian?? Um, no, I don't THINK they're braking a law. Which one, may I ask?
protecting software??? thats what the copyrprotection does!
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Umm. The CP is for people's own good, and the company's.
Larian?? Um, no, I don't THINK they're braking a law. Which one, may I ask?
protecting software??? thats what the copyrprotection does! Copy protection = legal: Disc protection = illegal. If there's anything else you want to know, it's all in the posts. You'll have to look the rest up, i'm off to bed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sleepey.gif" alt="" />.
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I'm sorry but if people on P2P networks (like kazaa, and other crap) having the game is your strong argument than there is nothing I need to add. There is not one group that released it. I can search on Kazaa and probably find everything. But if it's really that and if it will work is something totally different. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> If you are so sure, please provide me with the release .nfo accompanying it. Kazaa? Lol. You wont find much on p2p setups like that (and if you do, 50% of the time it will be something other then what you wanted). It's all bit-torrent now. The NFO (if there is one) is on the CD image and I'm not about to DL a 1.5gb file just to get it. This probably isn't done by a major group, but more likely some programmer who was bored.
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why then would you want to copy an empty disk...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> if you not bitching about the CP on the game.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> i'm sure Hip Games, or even Larian, would be happy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> to send you a blank disk that you could copy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" /> to your hearts content...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> maybe when you "really" wake up you'll understand.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
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Umm. The CP is for people's own good, and the company's.
Larian?? Um, no, I don't THINK they're braking a law. Which one, may I ask?
protecting software??? thats what the copyrprotection does! Copy protection = legal: Disc protection = illegal. If there's anything else you want to know, it's all in the posts. You'll have to look the rest up, i'm off to bed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sleepey.gif" alt="" />. Its illegal not to allow people to copy discs? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />
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if you do end up circumventing the protection, i would be interested in learning how, so that i might avoid any possible issues with it should i end up purchasing hardware for a computer where there is a conflict.
i enjoy replaying my games sometimes, and if i end up with another computer where the hardware is in conflict with this driver, i would be rather upset. hence, circumvention knowledge for the express purpose of my personal use ONLY to allow me to play the game on affected hardware is my wish. if you choose to share it.
Thanks.
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Its illegal not to allow people to copy discs? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> Yep. It's a consumer right to be allowed to make a back-up copy of all your software. Copy-protection makes this hard to do (imposible for the average consumer) and is therefore "illegal". This is usually stated in the EULA for most software.
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People who want to make a backup copy: well why don't you. You can install the game from your copied discs. You just have to pop in Disc Two whenever you feel like playing, and I'm sure this won't "wear out" the CD (the disc doesn't even have to be in there all the time, from the moment you see the intro movie, you can safely remove it and put it back in the vault if you wish). I remember when they introduced Compact Discs to the broad public, and one of the arguments they used was that one such CD would last a lifetime... --------------
Yep. It's a consumer right to be allowed to make a back-up copy of all your software. Copy-protection makes this hard to do (imposible for the average consumer) and is therefore "illegal". This is usually stated in the EULA for most software. Apparently Larian thing's you can make a back-up copy. That is backing it up, just not a actual copy on a cd.
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What good is a back-up if it will never work? Say you "back-up" as the CD's are now, and then a month from now your CDD malfunctions and melts/scratches your BD disk 2, what now? The "back-up" wont work because it wont pass the protection, you're screwed and forced to either buy a new copy or resort to illegal means of by-passing the protection.
That's just one of millions of things that could happen to cause a CD to stop working.
Yay, everyone rejoice that we can "install" the game from a back-up, you can't play it, so why bother?
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What good is a back-up if it will never work? Say you "back-up" as the CD's are now, and then a month from now your CDD malfunctions and melts/scratches your BD disk 2, what now? The "back-up" wont work because it wont pass the protection, you're screwed and forced to either buy a new copy or resort to illegal means of by-passing the protection.
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Sucks for you. Go to the store. Exchange.
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Or send it to the Publisher. You get a new CD then when your old one is gone. You know with a legally bought Version you call that "support".
Wenn sie so überlegen sind, warum sind sie dann so tot?
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thank you Marian, sir <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> i forgot about that small tidbit of information! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> but try taking in your copied disk.... and see what happens!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> <-- this is the store owner, when you ask for exchange.
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Indeed, thank you Marian <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> People are being darn annoying with this whole copy protection thing, aren't they?
Right now in the US for instance IT IS ILLEGAL TO MAKE A COPY of a dvd. Not a privillege, but illegal.
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xacesx does have a point in legality of cd protection.
starforce has indeed done a good job protecting the developers's work & publisher's coffer. & indeed it isn't without problems, as do other protections.
all is not lost as marian mentioned that we can always look for support from the publisher when it cems to this problem.
marian, if u don't mind me asking, can u help us ask the publishers just how can they can those who may have damaged cd's? should we send a blank cd? should we also send the damaged cd as proof?
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is there not a "proof of purchase" or UPC code... include that, and the "damaged disk" in question... shove it in a P.P.S.A.E. and, yer good to go! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> P.P.S.A.E. = pre-paid self addressed envelope... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> there shouldn't be any problem at all, provided you follow these steps... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />
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Just to add a couple of small thoughts. Different countries, different laws. Here, all software whether CD or DVD is allowed by law to be copied for ONE working backup. Therefore if the software doesn't allow for that, it is technically breaking Australian Law. However, since most of the games come in from overseas, that's a very moot point. Returning a bad CD to the publisher can also be both difficult and expensive. My copy of BD comes from the UK. The cost of sending it back isn't worth it. There needs to be a better solution, but I have no idea what it is. Everyone needs to be protected. Fortunately, I have had no problems running this game. It's great.
If God said it, then that settles it!!
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Or send it to the Publisher. You get a new CD then when your old one is gone. You know with a legally bought Version you call that "support". Oh yes indeed, "support", besides the $20 shipping and handling fees and the fact that you wont be getting your replaced CD for 3-4 months. I only paid $20 for this game, I'm not going pay just as much and wait several months for my "free" replacement.
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