Larian Studios Forums Beyond Divinity (English) General I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3.33

I won't reply to ACGuY's post because you can see, by the overused exclamation sign, that he is an idiot.

As for you, Xaishi, 60-5=55. You have 55 minutes to play.
I should also add that it takes less than a minute to check the CD on my computer which is far from top of the line.

Except that it doesn't take 5 minutes. 10 seconds at the most.

When waiting for something on your computer, 5 minutes is a lot. I know that when I have to wait like ten seconds i'll too exaggerate alot, so I doubt it really takes 5 mins.

60/5 = 12

Which means an entire 1/12 of your game time is gone. That's a pretty hefty amount.

And I dunno how long it takes on his machine, neither do you. Maybe it does take 5mins. For me it takes like 5 seconds, but I have a pretty nice set-up. I would also never play a game for only an hour, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> was just making a point.

You tell'em.

Welcome to the forum too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

What you have to remember here is that most people love Larian, it doesn't matter what protection they use, or what inconvenience it causes, this lot will still worship them.

Don't try to help them out with advice; they don't want to be helped.

interesting. and you're right, there are now a couple different no cd patches for sacred - but did you know that fully 50-80% of the time you go 'down' or 'up' into a cave, tunnel, etc. you'll end up on the "beach"?
reloading and trying to make it down the cave entrance 6 times is vastly more irritating (and time consumming) than waiting for the cd check. and god-forbid you forgot to save immediately prior to your attempt at the tunnel entrance/exit!
but perhaps you've not played enough to experience this issue. you'll enjoy it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> and i look forward to reading your rants on the sacred forum sites. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />

With my pc the CP check takes only 10 secs Is my PC broken?

xaishi, couldn't resist...sorry up front <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />



but doesn't that also mean you have approximately 91.67% of your hour left to play?
that seems a pretty fair amount and certainly a large enough portion to become immersed in game-play.
commercials on an hour long television show account for a full 16 minutes of the program time - but seinfeld was still funny! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" /> (oh, and that would be over 26.5%)
gods, i wish i only had to work 8.3% of the day to get my paycheck! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

just teasin' all! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

Sure, 91% is a lot, but I'd much rather spend 100% of the time playing instead. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

How about if you're boss cut your pay so you only get 91%? Sure that's still probably enough to live off of, but would you not be upset? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />

Oh, and I don't watch TV. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

ha!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />



actually, if i only had to work 8.3% of the day for 91% of my pay, i'd JUMP at the opportunity! who wouldn't? 2 hours work for 91% of my present pay???? woohoo!
c'mon xaishi, you can come up with a better argument than that!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

okay, no t.v. - hmmm. how about this - would you not happily drive 5 minutes to spend the remaining 55 minutes with the woman of your dreams???? holy cow yes! of course you would. who wouldn't?!? (kiya, no response here please...) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />
[this of course assumes she'd actually wish to spend time with me ...
but hey, that's a different story all together! (hmmm, the percentage chance would be, well, small...but c'mon, it's MY thought!)]

by your logic it's better to eat a microwaved burrito than a pork roast rubbed with rosemary and thyme because the burrito is faster! yuck!
(okay, i actually DO eat microwaved burritos once in a while. but i'd rather have the roast!) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />

Sure, but let's not compare games with women. That's a strange and disturbing road which I'd rather not venture down today. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


I'd take the 60 second burito over a roast any time. I don't eat anything that takes longer then 10 minutes to get/cook unless somebody's made it for me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/question.gif" alt="" />

yes, quite <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />
but so much funnier than what was going on prior. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

so damn, does this mean we have to compare burritos with women?

we could get in a lot of trouble here......
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

(btw, i like women more than pork roast - and i think i've expressed my affection for that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />)

5 minutes.. how annoying.
What're your system specs.

It doesn't take five minutes for me, but I've noticed I can make a difference. If I just start the game, it can take 15-20 seconds before the game is started. But if I have the CD-slide come out, and then put it back in again, and start the game at the moment the drive begins to read on the CD (you can hear the CD beginning to spin), then it only takes 3-5 seconds. Perhaps it helps.

And yes, starforce really is a pain, almost inacceptable.

What you should do, xAcesx, is respect other people.
You don't know them, you know nothing about their life, you do not know what they do.
So please, keep those critics to yourself.
The one who needs help, especially in respecting others, it's you.
Or did I misunderstand your post?
Or was that sarcasm?
Didn't seem to be the case.

I see, lets look at your post: You're telling me what I know; You're telling what to do; You're telling me what I need, and you're telling me how I relate to people.

let's look at the facts: You don't know me, you know nothing about my life, you don't know what I do.

Is ok if I go around doing this instead? (insert sarcasm here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />)

As your post is amied directly at me, and my comments weren't aimed at anyone inparticular, I don't think there's any harm done on my account. I don't mind taking a bit of flak (especially if it's funny).

Considering it was the guys first post, he should have been greeted better than he was, to encourage him to use the forum. I stand by what I said, if larian released a plague, eveyone in here would want it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />

That's cuz it takes a few seconds for the CD drive to get up to speed. I don't think you're saving any time with that method, how long does it take to open the CD tray, close it, then wait for the CD to get up to speed? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

Mine takes like 4 seconds for the CD to get to the right speed, then 4 seconds to do the CD check. So 8 seconds from the time I click on the icon to the time the Larian intro starts.

Here a couple of posts from CD-Freaks: You might find them interesting!

Post 1:
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seems the signature on starforce disks is so critical and without any kind of error correction, that once it has collected a few scratches you may well find your original will no longer authenticate.

Of course this is what game producers really want to hear, a protection system that is virtually uncopyable, and gives the discs a very short time out value. Starforce gives pc game disks an equivalent to the consumers the disposable DVD time bomb, but you pay full RRP for the privelage.

This will end up affecting the consumer severely as it will also hit the second game market very hard, and you never know it may also backfire on producers who use the protection.

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This is why Starforce have a "customer" line. They know that problem quite well. You should e-mail them and will send u a new key.
And you are right. Starforce is not only quite sensitive to scratchs, but the drive state too.
By this i means that launching the copy after a ripping process ( for example), when the drive is overheated wil make the checks fails even with an original and in a perfect state copy. On the other way, the "weather" of your room where important too. In a very cool room, drive is "slowest" till all the system warms up, and copy will fail too first check.
Rebooting, or just waiting a few minutes will make the copy to work again.
Starforce is very picky with that, and they know that. If you have a scratched CD, then email them, and will obtain a UNIQUE key that will only work on THAT PC.
Checks are so accurate, that a simple scratch will make everything to fail.
in the other way, u can try to copy ur backup and launch it with Alcohol, and will work, but u know what limitations u will find.

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And then what if 1 of my kidz want to borrow the ORIGINAL to use on their comp, because they certainly are not gonna use my comp.
[My favourite part ^ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> ]


No software EULA can say licenced for 1 person 1 comp, for the life of that comp ONLY, not ONE component change. next it will be DRM injections @ birth not paid cant see the movie/ listen to the music, play the game.

This is taking intelectual ownership to the extreme where you cannot even share ORIGINALS within your own household. and no its not illegal, 1 ORIGINAL = 1 PLAYER even if you got 20 kids in your house each with a comp. On top of that its more loss to software authors, In the past you could go to a friends with an ORIGINAL and show him/her the game, have some fun and they may well pop out and buy it that week. BIggest advertising is word of mouth, it can make a company and break a company and has 1000s X's more power than tv or internet adds.

Any game in the future protected to such an extent can Kiss it, It will be returned.
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Parhaps this is why it wouldn't work on that laptop someone posted about ?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

For the benefit of those who don't understand what's been said: Your game will fail to work at some point due to scratches. You can then obatin a key which will launch the game. The bad news is that the key is generated according to what hardware and software you have installed (software - OS). This means if you upgarde some aspect of your computer, your key won't work. This also means, you can only install it one machine. So if you kids using another machine, you'll have to buy them a seperate copy of the game.

@ xAcesx:

( edit: I talked about the fact you said posters were blind followers, not about the fact you responded to the new forum member. Your right, I don't know you, I know nothing about your life... etc, etc... but I didn't say I knew you. )

I'm sorry I said you needed help in respecting other people.
Not my intention to ''flak'' you.

My post was aimed at you...
But I stayed reasonable...
I didn't call you a ( insert ''forbidden'' words here ).

You greeted a newcomer.
That's nice of you, it's true he could have used a warmer welcome.

Obviously, your post isn't aimed at anyone in particular, because it's aimed at everyone.

You say it yourself:

''I stand by what I said, if larian released a plague, eveyone in here would want it''

Meh... not me thanks...

You talk about posters like if they were Brainwashed Followers of Larian the Great.

''I don't think there's any harm done on my account.''

Well yes there is. ( to anyone who actually cares )

''I don't mind taking a bit of flak (especially if it's funny).''

Sooo I'm a random pathetic guy that takes his pleasure to blam everybody?
Saying my post was funny is like saying it was another episode of ''Gilmore Girls''
Maybe I'm just taking this line to serious. If so, excuse me again.

Anyway, I don't think we are getting nowhere, both of us.
There is no use in trying to convince the other that he's right...

You have your point of view...
I said what I think of it...

I don't think I can change that...
I'm not mister ''Always-Right''.

I do not mean you should shut up and not respond to my post.
You can answer it, your free to do it.

But I think I said everything I had to say...

I just had other cases in other forums where such discussion were 3-page long, and ended up nowhere.

We should ( not have to ) get back to the initial subject...

@Ghaleor

Ok, back to the topic. What do you think about starforce?