i just wanted to add that the game itself is great, and very stable, no crashes as of yet i can even alt-tab and back with no probs. But the whole starforce thing still irks me, i don't understand the point of it really copy protections seem to be a waste of time and money to me, especially this one, the trade off between defeating pirates for a short time and pissing off your fans and losing potential future sales doesn't seem to be a good one. So the only thing i can really think of, is that starforce itself has another purpose besides just copy protection and that is to test the publics reaction to having some of their rights violated as a customer and if starforce went over without to much trouble i bet you'd see the future versions of starforce or other copy protecions taking even more liberties and even phoning home, sounds a little crazy i'll admit but really i see it as a possiblity.