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I mean the Jedi tubes; Malak himself isn't that hard if he doesn't have a reserve of life force to draw from, although melee-focused characters probably have a much easier time. Hey, verpine energy shield + stims + buffs, and Malak goes down in about a dozen rounds flat.

Don't forget you can pause the game and use a medkit from your inventory. Its doesn't take up a round of combat that way. As WF said, use destroy droid on the captive jedi or drain life. You can target the tubes with either. Malak is empowered with the dark side from the star forge so don't bother to use force powers on him. Once you get a breach off he'll be chopping your legs off. Throw lightsaber cannot be deflected though. If you like running around like a dork for 15 minutes. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Throw lightsaber and Force lightning also work, which is why I mentioned them.

The good thing is that, by that point in the game, you have lots and lots of energy shields, stims and medpacks left over (generally, anyway, unless you squander them).

.... right. now destroy droid skill is relevant in that sense. normally i used throw lightsaber to save time on running as i have to run away from jawless joe. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

& womble, running around like a dork is still strategy, no? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> anything to win the game, ol' chap.

as for powering up shields, yes, i agree that worked for me but u need to have enough of the high-levelled shields to make them worth it as malak's single attack is almost enough to nullify the shield. throw lightsaber is iffy for characters who don't level up enough in it. also for defense, it's good to have the character force immune to lessen the effect of stun. man, malak can stun anytime! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />

Drain life works best. It gives you precisely what it gives Jawless Wonder: restore hitpoints and FP.



Wear a belt that gives you immunity to mind-affecting effects. Voila. Verpine shields will last many, many hits, and by that point you should have quite a few lying around unused.

All good tips WF. What diff. level are you fighting him at Jang?

He's a sod on hard. An absolute sod. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Even my 'wisdomed out' LS soldier/consular has a bit of a prob with him.

i played at hardest level, womble. always have. which is why that dude especially is one tough beef to chew. that's why when i got fed up, i'd fall back to grenades. sticky first, then whatever else. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

roger that.

i myself am playing through hotu for the 6th time through. that is just an amazing xpac, blows everything totally out of the water. above-average story, outstanding music, high-quality magic items, and the builds, the builds! so many epic characters to play around with. the replayability is just awesome.

try playing a shifter. on a scale of 1-10, its fun factor is at 11. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Sweet, I've heard so many good things about shifters. I'm just plowing through SOU at the moment to do it 'once' and am greatly looking forward to the HoTU campaign. Be nice to make an epic character properly instead of just copying builds from the Bioware site and using the console for leveling.

womble, let me know if u have any mod(s) that provides continuity for epic characters. mine is still lacking a whole lot at level 32. i want to taste 40. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

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I haven't yet found a good epic-level module, incidentally, aside from Some Distant Shore, and it isn't particularly interested in giving you level-ups.

janggut, i think you can find a lot of mods at http://nwvault.ign.com

womble, if you decide on playing a shifter, consult the shifter guide first at www.gamefaqs.com you really have to watch a lot of things when playing a shifter because of the diversity of shapes and what shapes merge what items. the first time, i was really overwhelmed and was at a loss. it was at my second try that i began to appreciate the joys of the shifter class. nothing beats the feeling of transforming into a giant minotaur wielding a flaming axe or becoming an undead (vampire, risen lord, spectre). i haven't gotten into the higher epic shapes yet as they require a lot of wisdom and very high levels of shifter. such are very hard to attain in the hotu campaign.

nonetheless, the other shapes are a ton of fun, though in one big battle, i shifted into a risen lord carrying a nasty scythe with the evil plan of turning all my enemies (and there are a lot of them) into dust. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" /> instead, i was the one turned by an enemy cleric. my risen lord went completely nuts and he ran from one corner of the screen to the other. it's good that my henchmen was able to carry on the fight (one of the few times that henchmen served their purpose) until the turn undead spell wore off on me. i turned into a minotaur and hunted that cleric down. grrr!!!

now playing a dwarven fighter/monk with weapon specialization in unarmed strike. he is a killer! soloed all of chap. 1 and most of chap. 2. (ahhh, the joys of powergaming <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) had to take on henchmen in the latter part of chap 2 just to get through those mithral golems who hit so damn hard and also a certain dragon.

i'm planning to solo chap. 3, but my heart's yearning wouldn't allow me to leave my true love behind. sigh, why do i have a weakness for elven ladies wearing breastplate? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

thanks for the link, crusader. however i know of it since last year & i kind of hate that site for being very messy & hard to navigate in despite the impressive amount of stuff that site contains.

heck, they never even thought of putting a sort order for the huge list of mods & stuff. how can u tell which are highly rated? wade through all that long list of mediocre mods. *sigh*

oh yes, by the way, anyone know where to find character builds which are not as messy as IGN's & not in disarray like in bioware's forum? i think this question's pointless, nevertheless i feel the need to ask.

i know, that site's info is quite a mess. i myself don't use that; i don't play mods anyway since the hotu campaign still interests me.

you want a build that's not messy? play a pure cleric. ultra powerful character that one. can summon a host of powerful creatures (including undead), can buff like crazy (sometimes even better than a fighter), can cast area of effect spells (empower & maximize them), and when you run into a tough boss monster, walk to it then cast harm. ho-hum... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

monk is my fav so far. it's very clear cut & easy in terms of decisions when it comes to level-ups without wincing. paladin is a tough one though now with HOTU playing it has better rewards.

as for shifter, i'm still a bit aprehensive. i've yet to try out dwarf defender or other epics. will have to experiment. thing is for NWN, wrong choices beget harsh consequences.

i've also tried pure weapon master & it's quite a nice experience. can anyone tell me how rewarding is it to play arcane archer? been playing melee characters for so long. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Want to powergame? Try this:

Bard 1/Red Dragon Disciple 10/Fighter 29

Okay, maybe not fighter 29, but just RDD with a good fighter build is enough. RDD gives insane bonuses to stats, as well as an immunity to knockdown, fear, and fire-based attacks. My character doesn't even need buffs; she can wade into any given battle and just hack away at everything. (Need good equipment, of course.)

@winterfox: that looks like a solid build. think i've read something along similar lines in the bioware forum. though i didn't try that build as i couldn't imagine my heavily-armored fighter sprouting wings at his back. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

@janggut: well, being asian, the monk class is also my favorite in d&d. i think they represent the best in playing a build. they start out relatively weak, but become more powerful as they go up, thereby rewarding you exponentially. they also move so damn fast and once equipped with haste item, they are unstoppable. they get a lot of very useful feats, and a whole lot of immunities. the first time i beat nwn oc was with a human monk, a premade character (toru toramoku, i think), as i had no idea about char building then. i did not regret my decision; he made my first foray into 3rd ed d&d rather easy. and just for kicks, i got grimgnaw as henchman. hehe, they kicked and punched the creator races all the way to hell & back. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> my first run through sou & hotu were with monks as well.

i played an arcane archer up to lvl 20, but then got bored with her. don't get me wrong; it's a good prestige class. it's just not my habit of sending pointed sticks at my opponents while i frantically run around dodging attacks like a headless chicken. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

I don't think RDD gives knockdown immunity. Immune to fire, paralysis and sleep according to the neverwinter grimoire. Only way to get knockdown resistance is to have a high dicipline as far as I know. I'm sure you could find an item that gives it though.
I made a half-orc Barb 5/RDD 10/sorc 1 for a laugh to get through the OC. Sorc lvl is useless now. I took it for the lockpicking pixie but bard with high UMD would've been far better. (and more cheesy)
I SMACKED Aribeth+Morag down using my flaming greatsword. Hardest fight was Klauth IMO. I've no idea how people kill him without using the dead dragon sphere. Probably a sorc/wiz with lots of IGMS or a cleric with harm....

I guess figther would be better for feats but I have this thing for half-orc female barbs. (STR 37) Call me odd....

My journey through the dephs of the underdork is much fun with my pure sorc. That Teifling henchman (forgot his name) kicks much hairy buttock. I regularly see him crack off criticals of over 110 with his funky flail.

Who mentioned the mithril golems? Those guys are freaking horrible! The Demi-Lich afterwards was a piece of cake in comparrison. I saw him rattling off spells but they seemed to do very little. The guardian golem would've been easy but I only figured out the control panel afterward.

One last comment: Deekin rocks! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Jang: I'm sure you could check out the neverwinter vault or sorcerer's place for modules. Just Google 'em. You should find links on the bioware website too.

I probably confused it with something out of an item, yeah.



I took bard rather than sorcerer because, well, just more HD to go with overall.

Incidentally: yay Overwhelming Criticals and absurdly, absurdly high STR!

Some mod recommendations (not necessarily epic levels, just very good story; too lazy to link -- do a search for them on NWVault):

Some Distant Shore
Elegia Eternum
Excrucio Eternum
The Book of Shaddowe
Necromancer 1 -- Allegiance
Bone Kenning 1: The Art of the Thanaturge
The Gods Themselves
Cormyrean Nights

womble, i was the one who mentioned those mithral golems. they always give my chars a good fight. i will not forget them easily. they had a harder time hitting my dex-based elven monk, though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

that overpowering tiefling is a fighter/weapon master that goes by the name of valen shadowbreath, arguably the most powerful henchman the game has ever produced. criticals galore, whirlwind attack, expertise, all flying at the same time. it's a joy to watch him in action.