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I made it clear to them that I would not tolerate it any further and would go to the police if they didn't stop. I explained, why I did not want it - I told them, the strays were under my protection - and their parents would get into trouble, as under 14-year-olds can't be "sued" in German laws - their parents can. And finally I told them - I would know how their parents (father) would react => with violence. I told them - "you've got a choice" => violence+my consequences - or non-violence and peace with me.


I commend your bravery Kiya. (Standing up to those people) I guess fear of their father's punishment was a deciding factor there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Allthough I'd like to point out that neither of us has any children of our own so we are probably unaware of the stress of raising them and watching them all the time. Maybe someone with kids would comment on how they deal with them?
Anybody? Spick? (Just curious)


" Road rage, air rage. Why should I be forced to divide my rage into seperate categories? To me, it's just one big, all-around, everyday rage. I don't have time for distinctions. I'm too busy screaming at people. " -George Carlin
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Was no bravery, Womble.

True, I have no kids - but I vividly remember my own childhood - and I was physically very violent from age 11-16. Yep, you read correctly. I was punished severly by teachers (knuckles/cane, maybe you remember this "good" English tradition?) - my parents believed that a "slap in time" would be better than an explanation - boys of my age, who practiced violence and thought, I'd be a good victim - prefects, who thought, punishing me would make me change (bedmaking, shoe polishing, penalty duty). So, I "learned" very quickly: Hit back - and hit harder (tit for tat + percentage, preferably a high percentage).

It took me quite some time and work after I decided on my own to stop this behaviour (at 16) to find other methods. But... how many stick to this behaviour because they think it's correct? How many ask themselves if they would like to try out another way?

Maybe you see where I come from now => the violent side, as a former aggressor and a victim.
I still say => violence (physical/mental/verbal) causes harm.
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@ womble - from a experienced father's side (which may differ from the mother's in many respects!)

Kids will always test their limits, from the start and at all ages - that's normal, but strenous at times. It requires strong nerves, consequence, self confidence, patience, tolerance, wisdom,, love (not necessarily in that order).
Young parents are usually not trained for the task, and learn by trial and error. And not all of them have all of the above all of the time - sad fact of life!


In times of crisis it is of the utmost importance not to lose your head (Marie Antoinette)
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