forgive me if i'm wrong - but humans are very much animalistic with more intelligence than other animals, therefore rule number one is still self-preservation. then & only then preservation of community comes in, either as second or maybe lower rung or order.
to be individual is to preserve self. that is to be strong & survive & if given the opportunity, thrive.
those who are not inclined to individualism will be more community-based therefore u have culture, religion, etc. u have to give up on individualism or some of it to live in community. individualism & communism or community-inclined (not karl marx) are two & opposite ends. no way can anyone or any community reach both at the same time. one of them has to give.
violence may be the primary avenue to self-expression. individualism. one can argue that communities also resort to that but primarily because of preservation of community, which stems from preservation of self; individualism.
then again, i may be wrong.
@ womble & kiya -> punishment may AND may not be right. it all depends on individuals. i took punishments from my parents & grew up right as they deemed. but my brother took the punishments badly. so he grew up not as right as they deemed. so nothing can ever be the ultimate action that suits every single individual. in that part, kiya, u're right. i mean, i agree with u. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Last edited by janggut; 10/08/04 08:04 AM.