thanx Kiya, it's newest version--so, skills don't show up till you invest points even after you've bought them? I have one point invested in my alchemy skill and the alchemy window will open when I click on the plant in inventory but it willnot let me select a potion size or do anything. What's this about I have to have a bowl? Not a vase or a bottle or a cup or any other container? Could that be the problem? I've picked up everything--and I do mean everything--but have not found a bowl yet. Thanx for the info on the charms. I was thrown by the x's--thought it was the same as DD. Is there something for me to look forward to other than just running around endless hallways in this game?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />