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and so then? that's very private business...



HEF can't be wrong here...
i think we all know that tobacco is not really cheap you know?...
and for impairing my health i remember one of my doctors saying: "as far as you are drinking or smoking less than your doctor it really can't be so bad!" (sorry not so good joke.. but i couldn't help)... anyway here in france average doctors life is near by ten years lesser than other people's life (not just a question of smoking or not, i guess) so it may be not a very good example...



sorry i don't think so kris. really hard for me to explain what i mean in english but it i will say (not to be too long) that's really a conversation between deaf ones... i'm not meaning this thread particularly but the entire debate (and it has been initied some years ago)...

when i said a world without smokers was a non smoker dream i didn't mean that non smokers wanted to exterminate all smokers in this world... i meant that non smokers (and ex smokers are often really the worst of them for that, nothing personal here) always need to try to convince/help smokers to stop smoking (and that's what you said)... that is one thing that make the debate unbalanced and to say the truth a bit boring (imo)...

and for what was the start of this thread... a vote for smoke free...
i still think that you just can't expect a smoker will be happy with that!
indoors separate area was maybe a good idea but i'm very skeptical about the issue...

Sure, as long as we do the same for all other lifestyle-related illness, contributed to by the consumption of highly processed foods, refined sugar, excessive alcohol, etc. -- and exacerbated by inadequate physical activity and/or risk-taking behaviour ("elective" sports, etc.). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" />


Well said, Master Guroth!

I used this argument in a thread here a while ago. I still think its perfectly valid.

Kris-no offence is meant of course. I'm just a 'passionate' debater sometimes. (argumentitive git!) Ex-smokers are oddly enough the most impossible people to argue with on this subject.

My main fear is that these people will succeed in totally banning smoking and then move onto something else. Caffeine? Alchohol? The choice is endless...

We will end up a boring little tee-total PC pussy-whipped planet. Mark my words... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

You're right. What in this world won't kill you?

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Yes, there's no doubt that often the most dogmatic people of all are the reformed alcoholic, the ex-smoker, the 'born again' Christian, or whatever! And I admit to being an argumentative git too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

However, I don't believe that I've said anything on this thread that would brand me "impossible to argue with" - unless of course you just mean that I won't just lie down and concede that smoking is fine. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I've said that I would support the provision of adequately ventilated 'smoking lounges' or similar concepts. I've said that I believe that the non-smoker's desire for a smoke free environment is a wish not a right. I've stated that I believe that outright bans don't solve problems. I also agree with your point above that a great deal of medical expense goes on treatment for conditions that are basically self inflicted. Here in West Australia a whopping 25% of the entire State budget is spent on our Health system! You could also say that smokers contribute towards that with some very hefty taxes. What more can I say?

But none of this takes away from the basic issues surrounding smoking. Maybe you're still young and 'immortal', or perhaps you're older and believe in your heart that you'll never manage to kick the habit, but I'm sure that you must be aware of what it does to you?

I don't wish to seem like I'm being unfairly melodramatic, but I could take you round to see my very good friend (in his 50s) who is currently suffering from emphysema caused by years of smoking. It's distressing to see a man who used to be the sort of guy who could tackle anything, now shuffling round his house fighting for breath. It won't kill him as quickly as cancer, but it has ruined his quality of life, and considerably shortened how long he has left. He gave up last year, he just did it 24 years after I did. (And BTW, if we did go and see him, we could take the 'yellow rocket' and you could drive - everybody from 17 to 70 gets to have a go behind the wheel - it might just motivate you... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" /> )

I still have a few friends who smoke, and I don't nag them to stop (apparently I only nag total strangers on the net - odd eh! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> ). As I said, we just provide an ashtray outside, and leave it at that. At some time they've all tried to quit, sometimes several times, but didn't succeed. But if they did ask me for help to stop I would be delighted if anything that I said or did could help motivate them to do so.

Let's start another thread and argue about something else eh? Software piracy? Speed limits? 'Politic correctness'? Anything - I've rather enjoyed this!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

I'm sorry for your friend Kris. Emphicema (SP?) sucks bigtime. I don't know anyone like that and yes I'm only 30 but nowhere near immortal. If I reach 70 and then die of cancer I'll be happy with my lot in life. I only smoke about 10 a day anyway. Its just pleasurable. If I cease to enjoy it I will stop. Same with booze. I don't have much of an addictive personality apart from games. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

I honestly think if stale smoke didn't smell so bad then people would complain a whole lot less. Maybe we could make an odourless cigarette.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

In Germany we have a saying that smokers ensure pensions of non-smokers, cause we die earlier (one old less to be taken care of and costing money - your other thread... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> ) - and as our government has increased cig-taxes to finance motherhood wages => I consider it a "patriotic" task to smoke. Same as for car drivers (gas taxes increase) racing for another social task (sort of medi care for the old). Cynical? True - but from whom?

Sure, it wastes money and impairs my health. I ask if I may smoke if I'm together with non-smokers - and obey if they dislike it. I have my own smoking office. I don't smoke on the road or throw down the rest. I don't smoke in front of kids or give them a cig if they ask. Been smoking for 27 yrs now. It's a bad habit, true. I stopped 2x, for a year each - but missed it, so I started again. I might stop one day - or not.

I tolerate it that not all are vegetarians (though I loathe mass breeding) - I tolerate that people drive (I have no driver's licence by purpose) - I don't lecture about alcoholism (though I avoid those liking to get drunk regularly) - I don't stick up my nose at overweight people (being as uncontrolled as I am with my drug? And costing health care a whale of money as well?). I use public transport, so I'm used to non-smoking areas - and if I have the choice, I take non-smoking seats in the plane.

Yes, I think, it's a good idea if smokers/non-smokers are seperated in restaurants. I think, both parties should be able to enjoy.

If you ask me what I would do with the money I wasted on cigs? I have no idea, Kris - as my wishes are not large. I need no house, car, furs, jewels, journeys. I don't feel I missed something.

And if I get cancer, would I wail? Or try to sue the cig industry? Nope. I started it as an adult (with 20) and knew. I take my responsibility for my choice.

Kiya

well, well, well......hmmm, i smoke, and i like it!
if i have a jammer tomorrow, so be it....
too much anti-smoker rights these days...forcing conformity
my choice, free air, whatever, blah, blah blah,.....

That's an excellent point, which I hadn't really considered Womble. There's a sort of literally "in your face" aspect to smoke which is not a deliberate attempt by smokers to "get up the noses" of non smokers. In fact it's more of an accidental by product. I wonder if it's possible to change the smell or volume at all?




Well said Kiya. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I have rather been preaching haven't I? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> Perhaps I have a secret fear of slipping back to my addiction of 25 years ago. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

On another thread I posted a line something like "She liked to do good, and you could tell the people that she did good to by the the hunted look in their eyes!" - I didn't realise at the time that that's ME on this thread!! Aaargh! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I guess I'm just proud that I was able to kick the habit, and would be pleased if I could motivate someone else to do so. I'm generally a pretty tolerant person, along the lines of what you have said, and we do provide an ashtray for our smoking friends, etc. But I've said too much already...

Ach no, Kris, you didn't preach - you're practicing for old, wild age - may it take you very long to reach it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

I understand a bit about the mental addiction to smoking - as I experienced this myself in my 2 non-smoking yrs. The physical one was easy to overcome in my case - as I did that in anger (those damn white sticks aren't ging to force me to take up smoking again) - but I gave in to the mental whisper (come on, just one - won't hurt you).

Nose => true, I smelled a lot more in that time and smoke nauseated me for a while (if the whisper wasn't there).

I guess my personal reasons weren't strong enough to convince this whisper. The first time I stopped because I saved for new bathroom tiles - that was ok, but after I had bought them and enjoyed the new bath - this reason (antidote) had overlived itself.

The 2nd time => a terrible cough, I had to stop, smoking was no fun. That time I recalled I thought => hey, you'll make it. Errhm, I was a happy single at that time - until I met my bf, a non-smoker. And his constant raving against smokers aggravated me so much.... I retarded and went into the anger state of a 3-yr-old (obstinancy?) He was a nice guy, really. Just very decisive if he disapproved of something <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Be proud that you made it - and go on encouraging. Maybe I'll find a reason one day myself to overcome that whisper.
Kiya

My take on things. I won't smoke. Bad for your health. You loose money. But if somebody comes to my house and smokes, will I tell them not to? No, I'll ask them to smoke outside. I respect that they want to do it, they like it. Fine with me, if they think it helps them. Well, I just hope that they respect the fact that I don't want them smoking right in my face.

But yeah, race cars are worse than smoking for the Earth. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> In my opinion.

There is more toxic gasses in a siggarette than over a heavy trafficked road...
And that's all I've got to say about cars being more dangerous to earth (for now...).

Übereil

One ciggarate is more dangerous than a heavily used road? Maybe to the person smoking, but for the rest of the world... The road is alot more dangerous.

What about the persons around the smoker? You kmow, 3/4 of all the toxic gases in a siggarette goes out to pe public.

Übereil

@ Ubereil
You are too young for driving a car but if you promise me that you will never drive a car in your whole life and that you will use the public transports, i will stop smoking cigarettes.

Barta

I USE public transports, and if I would have been an American I wouldn't have been too young to drive a car.

Übereil

Your age is between 16 and 18. I thought you were younger !

I use public transport too. In Paris the car pollution is awful.
Everything is spoiled by the pollution specialy great historic monuments like Notre Dame Cathedral.

Barta

That's right, I'm SEVENTEEN!

Übereil

Agreed, pollution is horrible. In Seattle we are trying to get a monorail set up. Hundred's of people would be able to ride in in their commutes every day. And yet because people who have several cars and don't care about pollution, and don't want to pay taxes so that it will become true. There is a monorail recall vote now! So that more people will use cars, instead of a monorail. Some people just want to send the Earth to Hell in a handbasket.

Very soon i will know everything about you and i will come in Sweden to take my revenge. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/alien.gif" alt="" />

Barta