Larian Studios Forums General Chat Chat (Anything) The Argumentative Git thread

Sorry, the 2 days are up.

rince ol' buddy, better an old git than an old fart. the former is annoying but the latter stinks! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

wow! i love this thread for the fact that 'old timers' speak up what's in their minds & tell us young ones what they want in their old days. please keep it coming. i need all the wisdom u can throw at me. just not the piss pot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

anyways, rince's quoting of other person's works are very good & should be in consideration as well as it points out very good perception of old age.

not trying to bribe that certain old git that has the power to confer that prestigious award <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> , i'd like to mention a bit about some of my relatives who are well into their 70's.

an uncle who's 74 is actively doing church work & travels out to smaller towns in almost daily basis for fellowships, financial management & advice (he assists in the accounts management), visits (folks that need help), sending stuff sometimes, etc. he even manages to cut grass around his place (the land's about 3-4 acres) almost every day with a brush cutter & do all that church work. of course the wife supports him fully in what he does, even helping him do all that work.

another one; an aunt. she's 76 & she has the house to herself. all her children live elsewhere & though they always visit her a few times a week, she always prefer them to be out of her hair as she's fiercely independent. the only time she needs her kids is when she needs rides to places. otherwise, nobody is to keep her from her daily work; house chores (minor) & plants(indoor, outdoor, bulbs, orchids, etc). she's a green finger & loving it. my dad learnt green finger skills from her, in fact. she's also a frequent traveller & often go over seas. last year she went to china, vietnam, england, & other places i couldn't remember. if u think her travels are just sitting on planes & stay at hotels, all on the butt, u're wrong. her legs are still strong & in vietnam, she told us she climbed up a huge statue(carved out of a hill) & managed to arrive at the 'arm'.

looking at them, i hope my old age will as just as fun & adventurous. & these are but two!

I vote for Kris and his clever plot ro redevelop (?) government economy - encourage for a wild (short) old age and motor cycles <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

yep <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />
but nobody seems to have noticed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> that for once i wasn't <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />
it was argumentativ
refering to religion, science, philosophy for saying... what?
there is no difference in genereations...
moral consequences to that.

I’m flattered to get a nomination from Kiya. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> But after monopolising Spick’s smoking thread, and also having more than my fair share of space on this one already I think it’s someone else’s turn to choose the next direction. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/freak.gif" alt="" />

Janggut’s relatives remind me of my own grandmother who was still fiercely independent and living in her own home up to a few days before she died at 95. His uncle also made me remember my late Dad who did a lot of work with his local church in his latter years. Keeping busy was the key for both of them.

Thanks for the Don Marquis link Rincewind – I thoroughly enjoyed reading my way round it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

Cleglaw’s last comment about the two days being up nearly made me splutter coffee all over my keyboard! I think he must be level on points with the bearded ones. However, if Hakea posts "Cleglaw is the winner!" I have a sneaking suspicion that Cleglaw will sling a box round it and post "No I’m not!"

The 2 days are up. I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.

AND THE WINNER IS….

Not sure if it’s 2 days on the dot, but I’m going to be busy early tomorrow, so here goes.

Kris has ruled himself out, and a late charge by Cleglaw and Janggut meant that I had trouble picking a winner between Rincewind, Cleglaw and Janggut. 3 very different approaches, but I enjoyed all their posts. Indeed, I enjoyed everybody’s contributions.

In the end, I chickened out, put the 3 names in a hat and drew out the winner.

THE HAT HAS SPOKEN!

Cleglaw wins. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" />

A new topic for debate please. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

(While we wait, you can argue amongst yourselves about how wrong I was to award the prize to someone who steadfastly refused to write even a single word about the topic!! Blame the hat.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> )

It wasn't the hat, it was the god of chance! Or was it the god of Fate? Or Luck prehaps? Maybe it wasn't a god at all and just a coincidence (did I spell that correctly? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> Probably not...)... Nah, it was definently one of the gods, now it's just up to us to decide wich one (and if we choose the wrong god we will get our brains burned out, or, even whorse, be forced to... QUIT EATING SNACKS (oh no, GOD FORBID... But which god? Oh geeze, this is getting complicated <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />).). We can do THAT instead if we feel like it... On the other hand, we better not think about it... Yes, we better don't.

Übereil (thinking of... well, you know...)

I could have been arguing in my spare time. All credit goes to John Cleese and the hat.

The new topic is the Mac vs. Windows vs. Linux with extra points awarded for keeping your nocando together and omitting any reference to sparkling burgundy.

Since I have Windows, it must be the best. That's just obvious, isn't it? I've got it, so it must be the best. I mean, I can't be scerwing around with the second best, right?

Übereil

linux (and particularly debian-based linux) only one argument: try it!

I agree with Ubereil.
I have Windows XP and it is the best.

Barta who always has the best of everything.

who has ever said that Mac vs Windows vs linux should be solved by the best <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

as it is well known i choose the worst <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
and the worst of the best may be better than the best of the worst! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

anyway argument stay the same: try it!

Linux + Beyond Divinity = ???

Linux + Beyond Divinity = ??? => Xanlosch?

There isn't a best OS, each one has it's up and downsides,

windows OS <-> Linux
I won't bore you with the same comparisation everyone allready read 10 times. Just my constatations:
Linux is supposely more stable than windows and windows more userfriendly. I've been using PC's for over a decade, and I'm sure i'm safe to say that user-friendlyness and stability can't be combined for this simple reason, if it's hard to figure out, you'll be automaticly more safe in your actions, while when it's just simply clicking buttons and filling in textfields you'll be easier convinced that you do know what you're doing while you're not. Or even simpler "You have to be good at linux to know how to spank it up" and thus make it instable.

Windows has become this instable because the huge amount of poeple that think they know how to work PC's. adware, spyware are a directly linked to this imo.

Now I use windows because it's compability, while linux is growing to become as compatible it will take some time to get there. Altho I'm not a big fan of windows.

I'm convinced I'm pretty safe to say (since many ppl with ICT backgrounds clearly state the same) that XP isn't better as win2000. True it made life easier, hot plug and play... But that what servicepacks are for (unless it's an infamous XP service pack)
The real reason why I state win2k to be better than winXP is that it's the most stable windows version ever, why? because unlike XP it is designed to be an office OS, XP in an office enviroment would be dead wrong. I use 2k at home, It hasn't to much secrets for me. And I almost forgot, winXP just uses to much recourses to my liking, wich is eventually just another addition to XP's instability.

[color:"orange"] For those who skipped my rambling and got attracked to the orange: Linux is great but not applicable, winXP is for the lazy that don't mind reinstalling every 5 months, win2k is for those who realise newer isn't always better, and more features just bring more problems.[/color]

edit: come to think of it, this wasn't funny, just the simple truth...

Windows, Mac or Linux? It really depends on how much rage you like in your life. They all have their sucky side so it boils down to what flavour frustration you prefer. Is it more satisfying to scream at Bill Gates, yell curses at Steve Jobs or stick pins into your Linus Torvalds doll?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

I once read a survey that revealed that 25% of computer owners admit to attacking their machines! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

Do you find this revelation about the behaviour of your fellow men and women as disturbing as I do? Can you even believe such a number? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

What this means, of course, is that a whopping seventy-five percent of people allegedly DON'T ever attack their computers. What a load of wimps. Are they all on Valium? Don't they use Windows for gaming? Have they never tried setting up a network for the first time? Haven't they ever tried to partition their hard drive and then attempt to get Linux to actually do something useful on it?

Here at my secret underground Computer Labs disasters happen to me all the time and, naturally enough, the only sensible way to cope with these little dramas is to give the system a good thrashing. Computers do understand the master/slave concept but they definitely need to be regularly reminded which one is the master.

There are twenty-seven bones in the human hand and if none of yours have ever sustained a Shift key fracture from thumping the keyboard then, sorry, but you're not trying hard enough. Of course, not everybody can always summon the rage necessary to throw a monitor clean through a plate glass window - that's for the pros. But, with a bit of practise, anybody can get their ticket with a basic keyboard smash if properly executed. Here are some free tips for beginners.

Imagine that you finally cut through the orc army without dying - on the 25th attempt. You reach for the save button and – bingo- the game crashes back to the desktop…

What follows should become automatic - if you are still stopping to think you have not yet quite achieved mastery. The first step is to rapidly pummel the desk with your clenched fists. Only beginners hit the keys immediately.

Work up a rapid rhythm, inhaling deeply as you do so. As you reach a crescendo, raise both fists in unison and bring them crashing onto the keyboard. As you do so exhale with one mighty shout. Novices should stick initially to a single carefully chosen obscenity but more experienced pounders can work up to phrases or even whole sentences. A good starter is "Baaaaaaaastards" with a long shrieking first syllable and as much venomous force as you can muster for the finale.

If you get this right, not only will small pieces of plastic fly across the room in a deeply satisfying manner but if you hit the correct combination of keys the machine will beep loudly, smoke will start to curl out of the back of the box and you will win the opportunity to go out and buy a whole new system.

Before long you will have earned the necessary cred to limp slowly into your favourite Internet café and draw a small admiring crowd of youngsters who want to check out your scars. Gruffly - in your best Clint Eastwood manner - you will be able to finger the livid welts on your right hand and grunt things like "Y2K update -1999", then thoughtfully stroke the stump of your left index finger and growl "Motherboard upgrade - 2000 - blew three sticks of RAM and a sound card before I got that baby home...".

Try it - you'll enjoy it! Ouch! (Sorry, old modem install wound; plays up on me sometimes when I type exclamation marks during a full moon). The only thing that dulls the pain is a glass of sparkling burg... oh bugger..
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No Mac defenders? Or aggressors?
Extra points for anyone who knows where the --Hold on to your Nocando and don't mention sparkling burgundy comes from.

MAC:

Owners still claim boasting rights on the grounds of elegance and reduced vulnerability, but it’s doubtful whether the benefits really do outweigh the costs and disadvantages. I guess it depends what your priorities for use are.

LINUX:

A wonderful project that has survived far beyond the sneers of the doubters. Fun to use if you’re a tad on the geeky side and don’t expect it to solve your every wish. It’s hard to see it ever seriously challenging Windows head to head, but we can but hope.

WINDOWS:

Still the only game in town for the serious games nut. Microsoft has been applauded for its part in bringing much needed unity to the chaotic early computing scene, but seems to be widely loathed for its monopolistic attitudes.

My two Windows wishes are:

a)
That they would bring out a ‘Lite’ Windows that just handles the basic management tasks and allowed you to add only the extra bits you actually wanted to use, instead of bundling the whole thing in one giant "lifestyle experience" package.

b)
That they’d drop the stupid XP protection system. I constantly change and rebuild my computer and the XP thing is a pain in the neck. I bought XP home (OEM) with all the parts to build a computer about a year ago. I installed XP and ‘activated’ it. Some of my hardware and software wouldn’t run with XP so I uninstalled it a few hours later and went back to 98SE.

Recently, I decided that my gear was now XP compatible so I reinstalled it. Of course my machine has changed beyond recognition in that time, so of course it won’t activate now! I haven’t sold the original machine, just pulled it apart and radically changed it – including a m/board upgrade.

I rang Microsoft and the ‘help’ person gave me the verbal equivalent of a disinterested shrug.

In contrast, a 23 year old friend next door had a pirate copy of XP running on his machine ONE WEEK after its release here. No activation rubbish, and with a few tweaks off the net he’s been able to keep it running beautifully, including successfully updating to SP2.

Ridiculous!
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