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As I understand it, the theory with Macs is that by retaining control of all aspects – i.e software and hardware design – they can deliver a tighter and more efficient package with less loose ends and without potential conflicts.

By contrast nobody really owns the hardware side of the "PC". But this does actually provide benefits from intense competition amongst a swag of component manufacturers. It makes the prices cheaper and helps keep the speed of development fast. It also allows us customers a lot of freedom to build our own machines with a wide range of specs. The down-side is that some conflicts are unavoidable.

So who wins?

Put it this way. My friend has a nice Mac. A section of it is used to run a Windows emulator so that he and his kids can run some Windows games and other programs.

Not once in 20 years of computing have I ever felt the need for a Mac emulator. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

hakea, i suggest MS-DOS version 6.22 since ..... well it's obvious, isn't it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

I favour BeOS <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

By the way, I just read that in the Netherlands people want to build a town only for people older than 55 ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

as it is now Mac has a very cute hardware and processor architecture...
much cuter than Intel has ever made...

well for Mac as an OS... i don't know who has begun to make aberrating OS programming if it is Bill Gates or Steve Jobs... but the fact remains it is aberrating!

why is windows (and if i remember well Mac at least until OS X that i don't know) writing something on your HD when you read a CD... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
for the least it is useless... and so aberrating (as all that have no justification)... ok this is not a shot to Microshoft or Apple devs (no worst or better than many devs otherwise)... they have some contraints that may be justifying their "not to do" works... but it remains it is a "not to do" work!
if average user don't see it...well sorry...

for Barta's last argument... why do you think i've installed Windows? except for playing BD/DD... you may think that it was quite a cost for that but as a matter of fact it was not me paying it but the French Republic!

and try linux!

edit: actually what i truly mean is that if a student (or more realistic: a group of student) was coming with the windows or mac last release for an exam about OS development he will not have his exam because examiners will think he has not understood what is an OS... this is not funny but sadly true!
and it will not true for a linux project...

new edit: no one has ever got a 'Windows Error' using linux what is the best proof it works better! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

Maybe that's the answer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

An odd side note is that I've legally owned a number of different flavours of Microsoft's OSs right back to when they began - some I even had more than 1 licence for.

So I still have a neat little row of disks, starting with an early DOS on a five and a quarter inch floppy, going through Win 3.1 on the smaller floppies, on to Win 95, and a Win 98 or two. Finally there's my fully paid up copy of XP. All legal and paid for.

Yet the OS on both my current machines were actually installed from pirated disks - one Win 98SE and the other a cracked XP. I have bought (and still posess) fully legal disks of both Win98 and WinXP so I don't believe that I'm breaking the spirit of the law. But thanks to some of Microsoft's more cretinous policies I had problems getting my legal copies to do what I needed! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" />

Microsoft could do with some real competition. Go Linux! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Aaaargh! That sounds awful Alrik. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" /> I'm over 55 and the last thing I'd want is to live in such a place. I really value the fact that the people I mix with every day, and who I count as my friends, range from little kids through to ancients even more wrinkly and decayed than I am! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Long live variety - be it age, colour, creed, beliefs or whatever. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

1. Nobody has hazarded a guess about my reference to sparkling burgundy.
2. I will declare a winner at or about 7:00 PM central time (Texas time).

as soon as variety is not microsoft <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> i agree!



was that a reference to my sparkling references like burgundy wine in the former topic, cleg...?

mg paranoïd as he ever is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

edit: what an idiot!... i almost forget... try linux!
(sorry lews!)

No.
Any other ideas?

I have Windows at home and Linux at work. I don't like the Linux much because I don't know my way around, and it seems decidely less user friendly. However, the fact that MS is talking with the music industry about installing support for copy protection into Longhorn, the next version of Windows, has made me start to seriously consider using Linux at home with Windows for gaming and voice recognition software only. Also the IT guys at work feel that Windows is going to become increasingly intrusive in terms of violation of our privacy in the future.

So whatt's the story on the sparkling burgundy?

all linux distro (or near all) are with gnome now... so be happy!
you could be working on an old unix terminal!
what is really not user friendly except when you're used to it!

try linux!

We use Red Hat.

hmm first things first I run Debbian potato (sorry lews) for the homeserver and XP Pro on the gaming PC (for obvious reasons) and as a tech friend of mine (geez another friend <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ) so eloquently put it "MSXP is the best piece of microsoft cr*p I have ever seen, and thinking about that he's not far wrong, and yes winXP is more user friendly and a delight to install compared to Debbian anyway, but I tell you that debbian server has been running 24/7 for the last 2 years without a hitch without a re-install a patch here and there sure but otherwise the most stable system around, a pain in the butt to operate sure but hey ther/s always the <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/question.gif" alt="" /> key if you get lost <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Awards

The Most Boastful
Übereil
"Since I have Windows, it must be the best. That's just obvious, isn't it? I've got it, so it must be the best. I mean, I can't be scerwing around with the second best, right?"

Early Wiener, later supplanted by better arguments
Barta
"Linux + Beyond Divinity = ???"

Would Have Won
Kris
He had points deducted for mentioning sparkling burgundy--which ironically is also why he would have won, since he made the 1st humorous use of sparkling burgundy.

Draghermosran's argument fell upon deaf ears. "winXP is for the lazy that don't mind reinstalling every 5 months" I've never had to reinstall XP.

Hakea and Master Guroth both brought up some good arguments. However, Master Guroth fell for my bait and mentioned sparkling burgundy. This put Hakea in the lead. There was a last minute attempt by Mea, but WE HAVE A WINNER.

Hakea, the new champion!!


sparkling burgundy explained
In a book by John Barth the protagonist is a lawyer. His client wants to contest a will. The terms of the will, which was made by an eccentric millionaire, stated that his wife would get the money if she kept all of the deceased's nocando -- which he had stored in jars in the basement, and if she never drank sparkling burgundy. Just in case you are interested, she never did drink sparkling burgundy, but due to the odor she had the jars of nocando moved. That gave the attorney grounds to contest the will. The name of the book was IIRC "The Floating Opera."

Take it away, Hakea.

Aw gee, shucks..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohh.gif" alt="" />

At least I can stop Googling my way round the internet. I now know more than I EVER wanted to know about Sparkling Burgundy - who makes it, how much it sells for, dozens of songs that mention it (and a cartload of people who recorded the songs) and of course a shipload of literary references... Except of course I didn't find the one literary reference that counted!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

Now what can we discuss that might provoke some arguing?? Music maybe:

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Music is rubbish.

Classical music is clapped out, pretentious, and boring as batsh*t.
Rap is for morons with criminal tendencies.
New Age and the like is strictly for airheads.
Country and Western can only appreciated by the seriously inbred.
The Blues have produced nothing new for over 30 years.
Rock is a crock.
Jazz is junk.
Pop is slop.
And the music YOU like is particularly devoid of merit..

Surely that should provoke SOMEBODY! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Attack, defend or discuss the music you love or hate. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Hakea,
I regret to nform you that your post has been brought to the attention of the RIAA, and they are bringing suit for the illegal distribution of opinions about music. You will immediately cease and desist this argument. PvP vile sharing is an extraditeable offense in Australia, where the only legal music of any note is the melodic sound of the didgeridoo.

You are TOTALY WRONG!!!

Übereil

That Cleglaw’s a sly dry one.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />



Piffle, balderdash and hogwash. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />

Forget painting, sculpture, dance, literature, and all the other arty-farty stuff – music is the King, Queen, Princess and Prince of the Arts. Music can grab you by the throat in seconds. It can make you cry, dance or pump your fists in the air. And all this after only a few seconds of music have played.

Music can even make grown men do daft things like play ‘air guitar’ with silly expressions on their faces. But did you ever stand in front of the Mona Lisa and burst into a session of ‘air paintbrush’? Did you put down your copy of Lord of The Rings and break into a flurry of ‘air typewriter’?

Thought not. Music rules! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Don’t be fooled by this lame attempt to look up to date. I’ve been to Hakea’s house and he has a huge collection of CDs – several hundred of them – and the majority are Classical music or opera, with a fair swag of Jazz thrown in as well.

But in a feeble attempt to look “with-it” he also has a few rock and roll albums casually strewn around on top of the pile. Up to the minute stuff like Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon”, “Bruce Springsteen’s Greatest Hits”, and a whole row of old Van Morrison CDs. And, hidden in the middle, proof that he’s one of the few people in the world to own not one but TWO albums by Enya! Geez – Enya - that’s a serious worry!

Please! Can anybody recommend some 21st Century music to the poor fellow – he’s roughly a quarter of a century behind at present… <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

this is all the fault of the Ancient Greeks...
instead of listenning to the voice of wisdom (Socratle, Plato...)
they have Demi-Goddized an old blind man named Homer who couldn't see the Truth and a mere courtisan called Psapso or Sapho...

music is a terrible social illness... a foul that should be hold as an hard drug (at least the equal of heroin and cocain) and totally forbidden...
it is sufficient to see the exhalted eyes of some weak young and older people in the events called music events to be convinced of that... this is just not natural!

yea music should be totally forbidden but it is not all... theater should be forbidden too because it is too noisy and it is just a casual thing for some women to show up their hairs under the arms!
and poetry should be forbidden because poetry is not true (as Plato said) and poetry is music of the words!

we should kill Carson MacCullers for twice(and good this time) because she dared to speak for music's sake and burn the Heart is a Lonely Hunter and all bad books...

personnaly there is the only reason i've married a jazz singer... to keep her silent!

I agree with you on everything except, rock.

and maybe jazz

or even blues

but everything else is crap, it's not even music so it shouldn't be discussed here, even trying to defend any other genre than those I did would mean you have bad taste in music. It's a well known fact that pop is full op subliminal messages containing BS, that makes you forget everything you learned at school. Classical music is dead and everyone still composing such music deserves to die this instant. Country is just mindblowing idiotic, rap is just mindblowing idiotic. rap = country. New age, I would understand if you were on drugs.

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