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Rincewind don't have a beard ! It's just his ava which has one ! It's unfair !
Janggut has a beard in real life and janggut means beard in malaysian.
Janggut should have win this contest <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />

Barta

Rincewind's entry was clever; he is the grand poo-bah.

as you can see it barta the beard was just a reason among 3...

a beard that can be seen everywhere is a bit more than a beard that can't be seen anyway on the internet...

(this is valid for janggut like for me!)

Thanks! We are touched and humbled... but sad that Barta does not appreciate our beard. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

We've had a couple of "heavy" topics, so let's move on to something a bit lighter and fluffier: Advertising -- an innocuous and sometimes amusing way of promoting goods and services? Or part of an evil conspiracy to corrupt our kids, and distract and manipulate us, through subversive social conditioning?

What say you?

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Yes... um... well... hrmph!

Thank you, Cleglaw -- certainly a forceful and impressive argument to start us off.

Btw, we wish to make it Quite Clear that any information distributed by, about, or on behalf of, Larian Studios, the Opera browser, Dennis the Deathknight, and/or any forum member's fansite, is clearly NOT "advertising", but A Public Service Message, and is to be respected as such.

Ah dammit! I missed the win, ad I had a finnish (which I didn't had the energy to put up (school is demanding now adays, you know)). Oh well...

Übereil

My view on commersials then: even though some can be quite fun, they allways comes in at the wrong time and most of them is really boring (even though they try to be fun. Prehaps it's the 511:th (read fiftyeleventh, Swedish expression for a large, undecided number) you've seen it). Give to that the fact that some channels sends comersials directly for our children (the new Aktionman figure isn't exacly what every middle aged man whants) even though it's illegal in Swedish law.
On the other hand, the best way to know what the market offers is through commersials. But thyat doesn't mean I have to survive 7 minutes of diper and shampoo (who all is MUCH better that ordinary dipers/shampoo). That is why they should put up a commersialforum where everybody can advertise there products. It should be sorted so that dipers has one spot, shampoo has one, computergames has on etc. There could be one place where all the main news is placed, and someone should pick the main news, so it is things that really matters to pepole, like new medicines. This way pepole could look at what is offered without having to be overwhelmed wit a lot of not whanted commersials on stuff you don't need. And the film wouldn't be interrupted once every half-hour.

Übereil

subliminal messages in advertising are a hoax, no such thing, advertiser present their products in a honorable and fair fashion. Free from discrimination ads give the public a feeling of belonging. The great educational value of ads adds to helping ppl buy the right product. Advertisement has improved all our lifes, the world would look gray, colorless without the good ppl responsible for advertising luandry products, we are in no right to complain.

I'm pro.

@ Rincewind
I was joking !
Do you have a beard in the real life ?

Barta

Agreed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> A smart piece of work and a worthy winner. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

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Übereil

Adverts:
- a good reason to swap through the channels and look if there is something interesting somewhere.
- if swap shows that ad-time is everywhere => a very good reason to switch off the TV and do something else
- might be a very good source for aliens observing our societies to quickly conclude that we are no intelligent species
- shows the decadence and fall for consumer products, our "Zeitgeist" => time spirit, fashion
- Sims in RL, so you might not even need to buy the game
- cheap way to build up illusions that your life is perfect if you => buy the right soap, eat the right stuff, wash your hair with the right foam, booze the right stuff, smell the freedom of smoke.
- helps to press people into little boxes and makes them lose individuality, as they become living ads for all products that promise more than they ever plan to achieve. Therefore they are a helpful tool to be manipulated.
- keeps people busy with earning money and yearning for all these products
- are sometimes quite funny

So? Ads are very important, as they help you to spend your money and keep you from thinking what you are really lacking. Conveníent, hm?
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in response to the earlier posts on my beardly status, i would like to say that i no longer wear my ultra-unorthodox beard as it looks ultra orthodox & i scare the **** out of salman rushdie everytime i visit him for tea & crumpet. he always thought i look a lot like ayatolah. .... come to think of it, i think ayatolah does look a lot like me. damn, i should have sued him when he was alive for impersonation! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

@ barta -> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kissyou.gif" alt="" /> i will always support a pro-beard president!

thanks for the kind thought, guroth. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

now on to git to the argument.

advertisement is ...

1. tool-> u happen to have this brilliant stuff came out of your mind & now that u've made it into reality, product that is, u want to let people know they can have it! of course for a price & that to come to u if they want to buy. ain't that great?

2. nuisance-> so your arch-enemy found out about your brilliant product & ups the ante by making a more brilliant product (light bulbs not included) & also usingthe same tool as u, he lets people know that they should go to him instead of u since his is better. & also at the same price as u! ain't that just great?

3. counter-tool-> so now u're thinking maybe lower price might help u out here. what else can u do but to tell everyone that your product is better, right? ain't that great?

4. neutralising nuisance-> what copycat! first he copied your idea, then he copied your moves. his 'better' product now is also better priced! heck! ain't that great?!

5. conscience-forming-tool-> u have to let people know that this arch-enemy is bad news & that he's fake! what other way to tell them & at the same time, throw cake in his face by advertise, right? wow, ain't that great?!

6. conscience-deforming-neutraliser-> he practically copied ALL your moves! ****! so what are u going to do with that cake on your face? sheesh, ain't THAT great?

7. all-out-move-> & u're no longer wearing gloves & dropped the word NICE off your vocabulary. that arch-enemy is going to be sorry he messed with u. now ain't that nice ...

8. counter-move-neutraliser-> arch-enemy is messing with u big time. it's not going to end soon. *sigh* ain't that nice?

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Patrick Le Lay, CEO of TF1 the first private TV in france (and as a matter of fact of the first TV in france), and a TV particularly known here for ranting spaces of time to advertisers had recently very inspired words such as (i'm not exactly quoting as i can't really translate this from french to english but anyway the meaning is there): "our job is to sell brain's disponibility for coca-cola and others (multinational societies)"...

Mrs Advertisers neither my brain nor my disponibility is to sell!

is someone in adult age can seriously think that the world will be less colourful without advertising?... if so there is some places in the world that have not been yet contamined but this things... can only advise to travel in these places, not so colourless after all!

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i'm not too good in english but i thought the word that was used for persons having dedicated their life to educating was teacher... i've never been really conscious that advertiser was a synonymous of teacher in english (well i've some progress to do there...)... i have to test my all too new knowledge immediatly...

so Barta, you're an advertiser?

aaaargh! why are my cheeks suddenly so painful!!!!

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Very true. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It has become something of a modern pollutant.

Companies do need to advertise their products and services. In the past I have used the services of advertising and have even written some of it. But it seems to have run riot in some areas.

I have no objection to advertising in the print media, on TV, or on internet sites. I don’t seem to have any trouble skipping or ignoring panels or pages that I don’t have an interest in reading further. I don’t watch much TV, but when I do watch I have a channel changer, a mute switch, and an off button and they all work just fine when required.

However, public advertising is another matter. By some extraordinary oversight I forgot to mention public advertisers in the death penalty discussion. Advertising seems to have contributed more to urban ugliness than any other single factor. No matter how hard I try I cannot avoid the hideous impact caused by advertising as I drive into our nearby town. Let’s face it, it was never exactly Florence or Venice, but its ugliness now is positively staggering to the senses. The visual assault caused by thousands of signs, posters, banners, logos and all the full nastiness of modern commercialism is so strong that it’s actually a hazard to vision and concentration as you drive along the road into town.

Thank goodness I have my own little ‘private kingdom’ tucked away here in the countryside, free from billboards, neon signs and advertising. Out here, wild bandicoots scuttle through the untouched bushland; cockatoos, kookaburras and magpies swoop through the trees; commercial radio remains unplayed, and advertising is miles away…. (Book NOW for your EXCLUSIVE NATURE HIDEAWAY HOLIDAY….. SPECIAL OFF SEASON RATES... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> )

After the German Wiedervereinigung, I went to the east of Germany in 1990 or 1991 or so. That what had formerly been the DDR. It was quite ... like a virgin : No advertisements hanging on the walls of buildings like I used to know it here in the west of in Germany. It was heaven.

Now, there are advertisements everywhere. The East Germany has lost its Virginity.