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Nah, it was nothing I couldn't fix. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> I've never had the same thing happen twi

But, to expand on the theme of unfairly blaming Windows:

Most users apparently have no idea how to maintain their machines. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> If they were houses the sink would be overflowing with years’ worth of dirty dishes, the lounge-room would be packed with overflowing ashtrays, empty beer cans, discarded pizza boxes and smelly socks, most of the light globes wouldn’t work, none of the doors and windows would ever be locked, etc etc. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohh.gif" alt="" />

Run SpyBot on most computers and there would be anything from a handful of "junkware" files to several hundred. I was in our local computer shop one day when they hit their record for a machine brought in for maintenance – a massive 6,401 pieces of junk reported by SpyBot!! And of course the various drivers on many machines are way out of date too...

On the hardware side the picture is equally messy. Computers are not like a gearbox where you turn the input shaft x times and the output shaft always rotates y times. They are electronic machines, and the components such as CPU and RAM are not expected to be 100% perfect – only to perform within a certain percentage ‘tolerance’. So, for instance, your cheap RAM will work fine most of the time, but under certain load demands from the software it can act a little flaky or expose a weakness. Similarly, if the voltage supplied varies a bit then components may behave unreliably. Often you will get away with it, but sometimes a crash can occur. And then you’ll usually blame Windows! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

Cheap power supplies are notorious for causing problems that provoke "blue screens of death" as are fluctuations, ‘brown-outs’ and spikes in local electricity supplies (put a proper voltmeter across your domestic supply for a day and see how big the variation really is!).

I used to have 4 Windows machines doing some research calculations. They ran night and day for months on end without stopping. Unsurprisingly, Windows never crashed, but it was interesting to see the difference in hardware behaviour.

Two of the machines were built from ‘identical’ components throughout, yet one CPU always ran 5 degrees C or so hotter than its twin, and one was faster than the other. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sure Windows isn’t perfect but it’s not as bad as it’s often painted. (And, hey, even a magnificent combination of brains, charm, wit, talent and good looks such as myself isn’t entirely 100% perfect!!)
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/freak.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

now there's a mouthfull... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

jus'kiddin kris...i agree with you 100% <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

but then again, that's not too argumentative of me now is it?
or is it just me, i could be wrong tho, or even mistaken,
but not bloody likely! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

if only it's my call; i would've vote for u, jurak. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

very true... there is an Intel/ Microsoft collution for world domination!
well as making beliving people there is no others solution that their own is a way to (at least ) try to dominate the world... at least the computers' world (what is not exactly the same, even I, I'm willing to admit it!)

for coming back on the linux and compatibility thing... it remembers me another debate (an older one this one): that was all the silly things said about PROLOG language (programming in logic, and complete name says exactly what it is) that it wasn't fitting for devlopping big applys etc etc (blablablabla)...

as a matter of fact the debate is dead when Prologia (sorry this page is in french but it shouldn't be too hard to find there english page from there) has found a way to developp very good and big applys with Prolog...

MASTER_GUROTH

You are such a wonderful darling to chit chat with. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

But, how would you know that Billy doesn't want to hear about your above comment?

Did he tell you this directly from his own mouth?
Was he quoted directly from a reliable news source?

Or is this regular second hand knowledge from the A-Typical disgruntle employee that you may have read about, seen, or talked with…blah…blah…blah, that is upset with Billy or Microsoft in some way.

Billy’s a very smart Business man and like all smart business people they surround themselves with other smart business individuals.

Do you really think Billy does and looks at everything at Microsoft?
That would be insane and absolutely counter productive to his business empire.
The main reason why people are hired is because the owner is smart enough to know they can not do it all themselves.

No, I’m sure Billy is like most successful business people and has Heads / other people that he’s employed to carry out particular tasks required in his business. Besides, in a company as large as Microsoft Billy would have already put himself in a grave if he micromanaged it to death.

Also, in business you can’t do everything and you can’t make everyone happy. If that were the case then everyone would either totally love Microsoft or totally love Linux.

You comment that Microsoft has a monopoly and makes it very hard for Linux to succeed or any other OS to succeed.
You are quit correct, but you’re forgetting the fact that Microsoft was the very first to succeed in this field on such a grand scale.
Billy started Microsoft from nothing. Basically, no other OS stood in his way like Microsoft does OS's today.
You can’t expect the other OS’s to be given the same exact road to travel.
That would be ludicrous and business does not work that way.
They have a saying around the world in Big Business.
If you can’t hang with the big boys, step out of the ring.

I challenge you to study the success stories of all of the most financial successful business people and you will find they are not wishy-washy timid push over people.
They all have, at one time or another, stepped on toes to get to where they are.
That is a fact in Big Business and there is a 100% difference between just plain old business and Big Business. Big Business practices are the same in any country.
The only difference is the laws that one needs to dance around in order to succeed.

Also, Linux is starting to adapt Big Business practices. They are stepping up to the plate and soon, soon being relative; they will be a power like Microsoft. That is unless the Linux leaders do something stupid. If you don’t believe me look at their goals and business documents. They are slowly moving away from that freebie mentality. Otherwise they wouldn’t have done what they did with RedHat causing others in the company to continue it as Fedora. A name is just that, a name.
Why did I go into this business topic? Well a monopoly, which you have on several times plugged into your statements, is a business practice, hence the business direction of my comments.

Lastly, MASTER_GUROTH

I am not attacking you.
I love your topics and discussions.
You speak eloquently and I admire that greatly.

I am only tossing my thoughts and the fragments of gems known as knowledge into the mix of things.

Maybe someday MASTER_GUROTH, the world will put all of their gems together to finally see the whole gem of truth.

Take Care
Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Are you geeks finished yet? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Jeez, choose a winner already! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

well make a proposition about that to microsoft and you will see the answer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />



frankly i don't really care...



have you heard about something that is called anti-trust laws?
i thought you Americans had invented them?
Anyway i really enjoyed your economics lecture... seriously <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />



and so then? is that supposed to justify we have to support any microsoft wishes in computer matter? very funny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />



ok idem for me...
anyway it is an argumentative thread, no?



yep sure! next revolution in this world will be provocated by this topic <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/alien.gif" alt="" />
but anyway you are probably right in this comment... so forget or half forget my irony...

ps: i never said Linux companies were not business companies...
but anyway there is business and business... and if you think that more the business is big more the produce is good... sorry can't share this opinion...

Where in this is the WINNER????????????? I'm getting pretty tired on this topic, and since my lack of knowledge in the questino keeps me away from participateing, I would like a new topic to work on.

Übereil

MASTER_GUROTH you're funny. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I was only tossing thoughts and the way they are into our ring of blissful fire.

Anti-Trust laws <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> the fact remains that practically every business walks the fine line from time to time. Does it make it right? Of course not, the only reason why Microsoft got caught in that mess is they are a pretty big entity to miss compared to other companies.

Do I agree with such business practices?
Well lucky for me that really doesn’t matter since I’m not in big business.

Economics lecture???
Is that how you interpreted what I wrote.
I’m sorry you took my words that way. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

I was only tossing in the realities of today.
You see, I choose to flow with the tide and work my desired changes through subtle persuasion from within.
Rather than openly saying, “Here I am! Look at me! I don’t like this!”

Take Care MASTER_GUROTH <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Stop arguing!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />

Übereil

But we’re not arguing!

We are only having a friendly conversation.
At least that’s how I’ve been viewing our discussions. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

You're in the Arguamentive Git thread, talking about the current topic => you're argueing! Stop it!!!

Übereil

Hmm as Kris mentioned it is 2 days ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> sorry if I am over time, however after due consideration ..... and trust me it wasn't easy as I nearly called M_G the winner, untill I saw this line

followed by M_G's answer:

Which I thought was a negative and unsupported argument and thus lost 1 point and made Kiya_NY the winner <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Take it away Hon <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yippie!!! Hurray, Hurrah!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Thank you, thank you!!!

Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

But she argued on overtime <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />! We can't support that!
Anyway, pick a good topic <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />(now that I've got the whole weekend and all)!

Übereil

well that's not that i am converted to Kyra-Ny's view...
but probably never the envied prize was so deserved...
arrgh for me at least it was something like an epic fight... i have to let it know... and it is a compliment

anyway young Ub is right next topic please, Kyra...

Do I dare, do I really dare toss a topic into the works... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

I am a bit timid to throw out a topic for fear of an Autodafe. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

OK Kyra_Ny, don't worry. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Just follow for a while and have another go later if you feel like it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

All remember please (From the post that started this thread.):



The general idea is to enjoy the arguing without getting either too tense or too personal about it. Both kind hearts and thick skins may be required while arguing! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

It's kind of intriguing that we managed to discuss subjects like Euthanasia and Abortion without ruffling any feathers, but that Microsoft seems to have caused our first problem. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />


Anyway, as Kyra_Ny doesn't seem keen to continue with a new topic, and we are aiming for a 48hr turnaround with each topic, I will restart the thread with a new one:

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BOOKS, BOOKS, BOOKS.

Are paper and print books rapidly becoming obsolete? Will the interenet and/or electronic versions kill them off? Do you still buy and read books? If that's not up your alley, then tell us about the ones you love or hate... just so long as it's about BOOKS, BOOKS, BOOKS... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Books... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Definitely more up my alley than euthanasia, abortion or Microsoft.

I don't think that paper based books will die in my lifetime, but they will continue to change direction a little perhaps.

TV was supposed to be going to kill the movie and radio, and it didn't do either. They did change however.

I love the look and feel of books - and even the smell of them. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> I'd rather sit under a tree, or on the loo, or wherever, with a book than with some kind of electronic text reader pad. However, the one thing that I do miss in a paper book is the search engine. There's no doubt that it's great to be able to find whatever you want quickly.

Books/authors that I like:

Most humour.
Travel.
Popular Science (i.e. dumbed down enough for me to understand. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> )
Anything by Bill Bryson, P.J O'Rourke, Michael Bywater, Alan Coren, Eric Newby.... oh, more people that I can remember offhand really..

Any body here actually hate books, or just completely ignore them? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />