Cool, a lot of posts here. People are still doing the same thing though which is the mistake that I made initially. You're all talking about the games you like, not what had great universal appeal, fantastic sales, changed internet gaming and interaction.

I may not like Baldur's gate but I'd certainly rank it up there as a well-designed and popular game. It also lead to enjoyable dungeon-crawl spin-offs like IWD. So basically, yes it is a great, an RPG legend in its own time.

I see Starcraft(SC) as the launch of the 'blizzard phenomenon'. Diablo tried but was hacked to pieces in months. Besides, more people like RTS games IMO. Warcraft came and went but there seemed to be this explosive activity around the world to SC. Internet cafe's seethed with geeks annihilating each other's armies! In Korea fanatics would play so long they died from exhaustion! Has any other game inspired that? Tournaments sprang up around the globe! SC was becoming the new god whose alter we would sacrifice ourselves upon!

So Blizzard became a world-leading game giant. What are they doing now? Pay-per-month RPG's. Bleh! Oh well.

Anyway, onto MG's post:

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... all games are time consuming. well maybe you would rather like a game playable in 10 minutes... i can recommand you real good tetris-like things if you want...


Go for it! I loved tetris!
Missing the point a bit. If you don't enjoy pointless parts of a game, it becomes a pain to do it, therefore time-consuming. A good game can take 30mins or 10 hours.(some games of monopoly for example) The point is you enjoy it when you're doing it and never notice time slipping by. This is becoming a matter of personal opinion again though.

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sure sharpen and Sky hammer spells are doing the same thing! please wear your glasses when seeing damages on screen hmm?

[quoted] There are many games that do it better though. That is the point I'm trying to clarify.[/quoted]

unsupported argument... where are you trying to clarify it... please?


Uh-huh. Not comparing sharpen and sky hammer I'm afraid. Why would I compare 2 obviuously different skills?
Overtly similar skills: for example, why do we need proficiency in short sword and short sword+shield? If you use a shield with any other weapon you're screwed! Just basic shield proficiency is good.

All of the D+D based games use a fine system. A character can hit things without 5 points in a skill. His ability to attack rises with his level. As do lots of other things. BD has a fair attempt at this but overcomplicates it. DD did just fine.

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stop praising yourshelf womble!
especially because Koz is not the more impartial judge as he is blind to all that he doesn't want to see about BD anything except his own opinion...


Er... He gave me the compliment. I merely accepted it.
Aren't we all blind to anything but our own opinion? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

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nothing more normal as Diablo 2 as no other interest than arguing how it is the worst game of all history even worst than morrowind...


Ummm yeah.... I've seen people write complete articles on character builds. The game is simple sure but the system behind it is quite subtly complex. Try building a good character to solo through hell difficulty. It requires a lot of thought.
The worst game in history? Personal opinion again. Millions in sales and a hugely successful free gaming community may say otherwise however. A lot will disagree with this, even more will wonder which planet you're on. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Oh, and if you're wrong. Admit it! There's nothing more embarassing than a loser who doesn't know he's lost.


This is simply good advice matey. I've eaten humble pie many, many times.


" Road rage, air rage. Why should I be forced to divide my rage into seperate categories? To me, it's just one big, all-around, everyday rage. I don't have time for distinctions. I'm too busy screaming at people. " -George Carlin