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enjoyment... certainly it is entirely subjective... this is the reason i'm not thinking enjoyment should be an argument for this topic as enjoyment can't be an argument (that was the reason for what i did not employ it as an argument)...



yes but i think the romans had a separate training for using the same shield with pilums and short swords... so it might be quite logical to spend some additional skillpoints there (not so a waste)



the cutscene movies were coherent yes... there were a story told by the cutscenes movies yes... but what was the incidence of this story about the game... very little, indeed.

Oh,

I now have to switch from Womble and Humbly bow to the almighty words of MASTER_GUROTH.

Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The question is Computer games - not limited to adventure games, RPG and the like?

In which case I say the coolest computer game of all times is - TETRIS.

- because it (still) is addictive
- intuitive
- all age
- timeless
- can be played on PC, consoles and handhelds!
- and sold by the millions
- is an all time classic

Damn, she deserted me! Fickle females... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Ok, I'll give up arguing semantics with you MG. I think we're a bit off the original subject. Glancelot has brought us back to the point of the argument with a good post. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

Tetris may be a good choice.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

ok, i just got up and it seems to be time to declare one poster THE WINNER and insult all the others, so here goes:

Rincewind was obviously horrified at taking an early lead and risking having to be the judge again, so he pulled back into the pits and switched off. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Kris and Hakea pottered sedately round the track for a while, but they did eventually spot that part of the topic involved bashing your opponents with a wet herring as well as putting a lively case for your own nomination. neither put in quite enough work to snatch the lead though.

several people basically listed their favourite game(s) (but unfortunately nobody else on the planet actually gives a stuff what anybody else likes… it’s bringing the argument to life that counts). Kyra_Ny managed to mention every game she’s ever bought – interesting diversionary tactic, but not a winner today… <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sleepey.gif" alt="" />

special mention to Ubereil for telling us where Womble’s avatar comes from (it was Hakea who asked – but I had been wondering that too). He also gave a good promotion for Max Payne. sadly, his work with the herring was a bit wild, and some of the blows missed… <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

good late entry from GlanceALot - clever pick - but no real fire in the argument department.

but the battle was mostly between Master_Guroth and Womble. M_G is always dogged and ferocious with his herring and lands many a scaly whack. Unfortunately, he got so focused on flailing around with his fish that he rather overlooked the need to tell us why DD and BD are so wonderful. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />

which leaves the mighty Womble. a good defence of Starcraft – which he returned to more than once – and some excellent, cheerful and entertaining work with the herring. (whoops, seems like it's really a haddock..)

your turn to crack the whip Womble (PS I put aside one of those huge bottles of champagne to spray you with on the winners’ rostrum, but unfortunately the cork fell out and I had to save it from going to waste…)

whoops, just realised that i misunderstood the forum time stamp, and jumped in a few hours early there. ah well, never mind...




Womble still wins...

Good choice, Koz...

I'm not enough of a gamer to even try to carry this one, and my friends are no help, either... informal survey revealed most voted for tetris and/or solitaire <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> , except for the two who were too busy with Counter-Strike death matches to talk, and the others who got wind of the question and suddenly remembered important appointments elsewhere... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" /> And we won't get into the ones to whom RPG = either Rocket Propelled Grenade, Report Program Generator, or (the lawyer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> ) Reasonable and Probable Grounds!

...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> ...... have i told u guys i saw somebody died while playing checkers? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

he reset the game & continued on.

Funnily enough, Solitaire would have to be the game I've played most, when I think about it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Over the last 20 years I've spent countless dollars on computer games, but every day I play a round or two of solitaire with a program that was a FREE download! (usually while I wait for my horrendously slow dial-up connection to find the pages I'm looking for).

Think how much I could have saved by avoiding computers altogether and spending $5 on a pack of cards... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

sure but if u're busy shuffling cards, u won't have time to argue. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

...... wow! that can be a new topic! which is better for kris; a pack of cards or a piece of software? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

I love this smilie! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

Hurrah for me! Ok, enough self-congratulatory bollocks.

I like the big topics. I was thinking about stem-cell research. Also scientific research in general.

Should governments (and in particular religious presidents) be allowed to decide the fate of scientific research? What is allowed and what is not? Do they know enough to do so?

Discuss...

too bad than Rael doesn't come here... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
well maybe too busy spending his money! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

Bring back the good old debate about memory of water (or water's memory... sorry i don't know how you say that in english) please!!!

Okay, I've held back on this topic long enough.
It's time I spoke my MIND!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />

Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground
And you in mid-air
Send in the clones

Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around
One who can't move
Where are the clones?
Send in the clones

Just when I stopped
Opening doors
Finally knowing the one
That I wanted was yours
Making my entrance again
With my usual flair
Sure of my lines
No one is there

Don't you love farce?
My fault, I fear
I thought that you want what I want
Sorry, my dear
But where are the clones?
Quick, send in the clones
Don't bother
They're here

Isn't it rich?
Isn't it queer?
Losing my timing this late
In my career?
And where are the clones?
There ought to be clones
Well maybe
Next year


Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

BRING BACK MONICA LEWINCKY... Err... the good old debate about memory of water... (somewhere i messed there!)

@kyra: great post <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

@all: well maybe tomorrow i will post something a bit more argumentative but i have to sleep before... great topic womble, not the simplest one but great topic...

edit:


not so true after all... this forum seems to be in the lead of research for clones... trolls' clones and it has already produced some of them it seems!

Umm, maybe I should have been paying more attention over the past few years. The only thing I know about stem cell research is that Christopher Reeve supported it... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

On research in general, it seems like a constant push and shove between researchers (to whom the pursuit of knowledge can be every bit as entrenched as religion is to the religious..) church dogmatists and secular ethicists.

But I really don't know enough about the politics of it to know which way the "reckless research versus fearful repression" pendulum is swinging these days. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" /> I expect they all just ignore each other and go their own way.

"Send in the clones" was good though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

ok i had been thinking about this topic for some time now and the conclusions i've come are not so bright nor so argumentative <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />

but anyhow i will try to share them...

first about research in general and government (or more generally politics): i don't think there is any link... well in my case anyway it's not really the case as i am (as more than 90% of french researchers) employed and payed by french government... but anyway i don't think than anyone in french government (or more generally politics) has been ever involved or even interested in the results of my researchs (and it is also true for more than one of my colleagues...)... it is true though that my discipline is not one to be said 'sensible' as stem cell research may be...

about stem cell research i think there is two things to considerate... 1) the pervert version that has already been denounced by Kyra_Ny (with her <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> post) and myshelf (with the allusion to Rael) and
2) what can be used for medical use...
unfortunately it may be hard to make a real apriori difference between the two of these things... and consequently i am not really opposed to a kind of government interference and control here...

should this controll be "enlightened" by religion... certainly not as it appears from old and recent history that religion and sciences are not very compatible fields...

The God fearing sects of people fear that this will become a domino effect.
First stem cell and then actual clones, now it’s not the clones they fear.
What they fear are people creating full humans only to harvest them for body parts.
The questions remain, do these clones have a soul?
Do they not have a right to life also?

Science sees a shell of flesh.

The religious sect sees a shell that holds a soul.

I can understand both sides.
One to advance human life and the other to protect the rights of all souls.

The question that I think Womble really should have asked is:
“Were is the balance between the two and how one would achieve this balance?”

Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

If I'm not totally wrong, cloneing isn't the only thing you an do with stem-cell
research. I think they are allso looking into cures for several diseases they havn't been able to cure in other ways (they goes right in the cell to see what's wrong). They are looking into new ways to cure diabetes (why inject insulin when you can add a new cell that creates it?) and they are allso doing some research on Alzeimer. If they can create cures for these kind of diseases (and for the moment it is just as much possiblethat they can, as it is they can't) then why should we stop them? I meen, whe havn't been able to cure them in other ways, so should we just leave the victims to rot? Stem-cell research is just a part of evolution, and I don't think the sinetists will let something out that isn't properly tested. And since we don't know all we can do with stem-cell research, everything might be possible. Final cure for cancer? Maybe. AIDS? Much possible. Sickness? Well going that far might be a little too much, but if we give the sientists the opportunity, I'm shure they will reduce it. Heavily.

Übereil (if you didn't notice, I'm pro-stem-cell research)

you are quite right here Ub, but how will you make the difference between the 2 issues?

trouble is not being anti stem-cell research as it has not real sense but how to controll it, i think...

as a matter of fact in france too we assist to something like a return of the religious in this matter... it is easily understandable for the reason Kyra has enounced but i don't think that this controll should be made only in the name of religious matter as there is a possibility of a rational and not religious bioethics, but i don't think either that scientific researchers can be controlling themshelves... so there is no other solution than a government controll...

anyway relationship with religion is just a problem among others for stem-cell research i think... i must confess i am more troubled by the political and economical decisions to instore a kind of "intellectual propriety" (brevets-- i don't know how you say that in english) over the genomas' sequences as it would reserve the possibility to make serious researches to 3 or 4 labs (the richest ones)

about stem-cell i think also all the thing has been a bit too overmediatized as the state of research is currently not so advanced to be really worrying (well if i don't mistake too much but it's really far from my speciality so i may be mistaking: we are yet trying to decode genomas sequences and seeing what we can do with that... nothing really more)... it is yet a very young part of science.
well maybe newspapers should have kept on speaking about Monica Lewinski actually...

or should we bring back the old debate about Memory of Water?

@ MG => you just love David Moles and Bill Grey don't you? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

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I'm all for Stem-Cell research, but I do worry that the scales will tilt to either side and then we are left with yet another problem to deal with later on.

Sadly, we look to our government for controls, yet they too are either for or against one side or another.

So again, Wombles question is presented as previously above.

Who should be in charge?

Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />