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Well, I'm honored.

I'll think of a topic for later today - though it might well not be sexy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
(must give Kris a motivation to win, n'est-ce pas? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />)

@ master guroth -> hey, no need to be politically correct just to tell me that u won't pick me as a winner. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

congrats, glance. any other topic other than boring ol' windows vs linux is sexy enough for me. & the rest of the gits. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

That's nice. I think... And I've already explained why I didn't argue. And then you call Mea lazy...

Anyway, what ever you said that was so good, pick a good topic Glance since I'm planning on getting pack into this topic again.

Übereil

Spread over the world, as we are, we hopefully all are or at least have been at some time in a working environment. Which leads me to the theme:

[color:"orange"] Is it desirable that a leader (= boss, chief, head of whatever) is "loved" by the work force (= employees, subordinates, you name it)?[/color]
{NO KRIS! The topic is NOT sexual harassment! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />}

Übereil starts thinking...

Übereil

It's OK, I'm not actually obsessed by sex. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> I was only going to ask what people found attractive when searching for a mate. Is it looks or character or whatever. It just gets more views if you say "Over here - SEX".. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Maybe next time....

But on to your topic. Should we love the boss?

I can honestly say that for most of my working life I have definitely liked my boss. It may not always be strictly necessary to actually "love" your boss, maybe respect would be enough. He has certainly earned my respect.

During the last thirty years I have always felt that my boss was acting in my best interests and I've had great faith in his leadership. He is also one of the kindness, wisest, smartest, most humorous and decent people that I've ever met. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yes, I've been self employed for thirty years. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

Nice try! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


That's only one side of the story though. Being self employed, what would be your view, if you had hired someone for your support? Would you work on being loveable?

I don’t think it really matters if you are loved or not in the work place as their leader.

For the most part, not always, but mostly people don’t want to be at work and it’s your job as a leader to ensure they do their jobs.
No, do not be a taskmaster making them slaves.
No, do not micromanage everything that goes on.
But stay on top of things.
You are the leader of course.
Inspire those who can be inspired.
Coerce those who need to be coerced.
Discipline those who always need their hand held to get anything done at work.
Manipulate those you need to manipulate, IN A GOOD WAY, to get what is needed to get done, done.

Whether you’re loved or not doesn’t matter.
Your job as the leader is to ensure everyone does their job so the job as a whole is accomplished.
It also depends on the individual.
You cannot make everyone happy.
Even the best loved bosses are hated by some employee and even the most hated bosses are loved by other employees.

So again, the goal of a leader is to ensure the group as a whole accomplishes the required task that they were presented with in an efficient and timely manner.

A leader was not hired to be loved.
The leader was hired to get a job done.
Being loved as a leader is good, but again, you cannot get everyone to love you.
That is a choice of free will by each individual employee under the leader.

If a leader focused their energies to be loved then the actual job, in most instances, would never get done.

Look at many of the greatest leaders.
True they were loved by many, but they were also hated by many too.
Many of those who hated them worked under them, yet they still did their job.

Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

A boss is a guy who is good at telling others what to do. For now I'm just happy that I decided to enter a topic I don't really have any experience of (I'm still in school, and will porbably be for the next five years).

Übereil

PS Kyra, that looked like a big quote DS

A nice feat but not primarily necessary IMO.
I consider it desirable FOR the leader to be respected - and this requires her/him to fulfill the following:
fairness, encouragement, discipline, high social competence, organisation talent, high knowledge, interest in what his work force does, an open mind towards new ideas, an open ear and a natural authority (not due to her/his position) but due to her/his work, high self-discipline, self responsibility, reliability, self-stability, neutrality - balance between the interests of the company and the interests of the work force. A healthy distance balance act, self-control in emotions, the ability to delegate and then trust the employees to fulfill their job - control in a discreet manner AND praise, if something was done good. Very important: to be able to apologise, as bosses make errors, same as the work force.

A boss who mainly likes to fraternize with his force might be loved but not necessarily respected. She/he might turn into a ball, tossed from one edge into the other.

Exactly. I agree totally. Respect is of prime importance. I have to have a boss I respect as a scientist, for example.

That's it. I can't think of anything else to say on this topic at the moment! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

60 years ago there was a kind of system that made near an obligation to the bosses to "love" their employees... it was called patronism... and rightly appears today as a very retrograd thing...

so now valors have been inverted... for a somehow obscure reason employees should love or respect bosses... why so? i love what i do but my whole life is not in my job... people with whom i work in a very general way are not necessary my friends... why should they be? and it is even more true for those who are superior in the hierarchy...

isn't that just a new form of patronism... "you have to love your boss because he's the feeding hand"... or something like that!
well sure that's not true in kris'case but actually quite a marginal one...

A boss doesn't have to be loved. As long as pepole do what he says, he organizes things allright, keeps the results up and those sort of things he's a good boss. I think...

Übereil

goood! what is the name of you dictionnary Ub?
wasn't it the "boss" entry? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

ok i understand you still don't want to be too long out of sight of Aribeth...

The duty of a boss is to be an effective leader. There are many different ways of doing this, and many aspects to the job, but it's not really necessary to list them all.

It's pleasant if a boss is "loved" but it's not actually necessary. It's a big plus if they are respected but, in business terms, even that is not strictly required just so long as they are effective. This may not be the way we'd like it to be (like Womble, at the very least I would hope to have a boss that I could respect) but business is a pretty pragmatic affair these days.

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Perhaps this is relevant. It was emailed to me a few weeks ago (funnily enough, the woman who sent it to me is also self employed - so what does it say about us. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />)

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BODY MEETING
All the organs of the body were having a meeting, trying to decide who was the one in charge.

"I should be in charge," said the brain, "because I run all the body's systems, so without me nothing would happen".

"I should be in charge," said the blood, "because I circulate oxygen all over so without me you'd all waste away."

"I should be in charge," said the stomach," because I process food and give all of you energy."

"I should be in charge," said the legs, "because I carry the body wherever it needs to go."

"I should be in charge," said the eyes, "because I allow the body to see where it goes."

"I should be in charge," said the rectum, "Because I'm responsible for waste removal."

All the other body parts laughed at the rectum and insulted him, so in a huff, he shut down tight.

Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, the legs got wobbly, the eyes got watery, and the blood was toxic. They all decided that the rectum should be the boss.


The Moral of the story?


The arsehole is usually in charge.



If you don't send this to at least 8 people.... who gives a $hit...

Kris: OMG! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

Man.... OK I've recovered. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

I like that. I'm in charge of the chemical waste removal at my company. Maybe I should be the boss... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

Could be! Is it a bum job?

(oh dear, I must resist corny puns... must resist...must resist.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />)

what are u trying to say, kris? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> that womble's a 'bummer'? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

anyways, back on topic; i am very much in the same spectrum of opinion as kyra & kiya & womble. while it is commendable & may be beneficial to have a 'lovable' boss, it is not necessary.

let me relate some of my experiences with leaders;

in school, i had a headmaster who was very strict, to the point of being a sadist even. personally i detest him. professionally i admire & respect him for being a man of his word.

at work, there is a superior who is all smiles & politeness but no teeth. & no goal. naturally workplace is very much stagnant in atmosphere & drive.

looking at the two, i prefer my headmaster. no need love to be a good leader.

don't feel like arguing as i don't think much of the topic. have fun, everyone. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

What???

Übereil

[post]What???

Übereil
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nothing.