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kiya, is relative freedom another word for controlled/regulated form of freedom? may not be extrisinct factor that does the controlling/regulating but it can also be intrisinct. just like some countries have their own versions of democracy? malaysia for instance practises some kind of controlled democracy. not to the sense that it's oppressive but then not totally liberal either.


I hope not, Janggut. A controlled/regulated freedom is controlled/regulated by others, so can turn into oppression in some cases (laws for instance). This is how I understand it. If I see freedom as a "globe" and the "globe" of the other touches mine, or worse, both clash into one another - a relative freedom needs to be agreed upon by both parties. It depends how freedom between both is determined and if a determination is even possible. I think, it has to do with the size of both egos as well. Freedom is a choice IMO and has a price at the same time => self-responsibility, self-control, self-questioning.

I liked Cleg's question as well. If I see Buddha as an invitation to liberate oneself from the ego, I think, one can gain a large freedom within oneself. But it this freedom or freeing oneself from ego, wishes and petty needs? Ok, I might gain freedom from my ego, but do I gain freedom from the society I live in? So, hm... maybe a total freedom within and a relative dealing with the outside? (getting a headache)

@Übereil => I really like your topic. Am thinking about it all the time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />