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all too true... well not only Governments many private companies are not exactly innocent in this game...



hmm that's not really true either... prosecutions begin to begin...

hmmm... until some while i thought quite innocently that no one would ever open a .pif or .zip or .exe file (coming from an unknown sender) but it is untrue...

virus (not a wikipedia def): something that is partially due to the users' ignorance and partially due to high-jackers lack of scrupules...


for industrial networks for instance more they are protected and efficiently protected more they are attacked... (hmm it may be a bit different from PC virus attacks but...)

Hey!!!!

M.G. you took my words out of context and misquoted me on purpose in your second quote of me and you know it you stinker!!!


Kyra_Ny

@ Kyra Ni

Don't be too bad with MG.
He did not have a complete night sleep since the birth of his baby.

Barta

Yes, the wee little one.


Kyra_Ny

I will declare a winner late on Sunday. Get your arguments in now.

One of my patients, a very simple girl who had sustained a traumatic brain injury spent hours with her computer. When she got a virus, she wept and said, "Why would anybody do that to me? I never hurt anybody."

[color:"orange"]I will declare a winner late on Sunday.[/color]

Publicly <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/question.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Glance-a lot wins.

I have a vision (No, I am not smoking strange herbs in my pipe! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />)

Universally government administrations are in dire need for money. It seems they all live on credits from the next generation. (I tried to talk with my banker about our finance minister's concept of "reducing the new debts" concept, but somehow he did not want to follow the argument in my case <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />)

One of the wiser ones (Manfred Rommel, ex-mayor of the city of Stuttgart once said in the city paliament:
Saving means not spending money you have. In our case however we are talking about spending money we do not have. In the language of modern mathematics of quantities: If you take 300,- cash out of a pot containing 100,- you must first return 200,- to have nothing in it.

Statesmen (= thinking of the next generation) seem extinct and politicians (= thinking of the next election) seem galore. Everybody and his brother cry for subsidies from the state (or "society"!) to preserve their status quo or traditional, but out-lived, concepts.

Arguments are invited to the following questions:

1. What are the areas of responsibility the spending of the taxpayers (= everybody's) money by the government should be limited to?

2. What if government administrations, within the limits of their responsibilty, were run as a business profit center, and any subsidy would have to only come out of previously earned profits on the basis of a majority vote?

{Note - the argument should be on the idea as such, not on the possibility or impossibilty - specifically, wether it is a worthwhile goal, not how to reach it, that would be a different issue}

*Über sees his chance*

[Argumentmode] I agree [/Argumentmode]

Übereil

it is not... well what is the interest of government administrations if not spending money it doesn't have?

I am not asking about government administration's (respectively its representatives) interest(s), but about their sovereign duty - and the limits thereto. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

But it seems the topic is too complicated or complex, or not sufficiently prone to ranting, or too visionary for meaningful, realistic argumentation. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />

Obviously, there is no winner (simply agreeing, without reasoning why is inadequate <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />) - I'll give you a new one to think about:

PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION

Cities get overwhelmed by avalanches of private cars being driven into town, parking space gets scarce and - as it is in a free market with a rare good - expensive. Big investments go into road building, smog prevention, etc. It seems that less goes into developing and building an adequate public transportation system, that people would actually accept in preference to driving their own vehicle.

What would a public transportation system (whether intra-city or inter-city)have to provide in order to be accepted by a majority of the population?

If you could ride a train that goes 500 km/hour some pepole would probably swich...

Public transportations is pretty good in Sweden. I go by bus every day (xept weekends...). Higher taxes on cars/cheaper prices on public transportations would probably help too. And if there's just the car use we whant to go down, then we could give pepole money for fuel. Some experiments have been made where goverment gives money exlicively for fuel. The result was that THESE pepole tended to use their car less, because the money they DIDN'T spend on fuel, they could spend on other things...

Übereil

PS Dammit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />! I didn't win! DS

Since I live out in the country 9 miles from the nearest shopping, public transportation is usless to me. When I lived in NYC I never even learned how to drive; I went everywhere on the subways.
A grid system works better than a hub with spokes.
Free transfers from one bus or train to another are a big help.
Clean and well maintained=important.
Crime is an issue in inner city--needs to be addressedwhere needed.
Handicapped access=important.

[color:"orange"]Dammit ! I didn't win![/color]
Tja - life is hard; in this thread winning is not a matter of luck, but has to be earned by - arguing, or argumenting? (I am not sure about the word here.)

Anyway, IMO, an adequate and accepted public transportation system that achieves success over private transportation would have to

- have minimum comfort (not selling more tickets than you have seats (and for the same price) as is custom in todays trains in Germany);

- be cheaper than a car ride, if several people travel together;

- commute in decent intervals in a grid system, in order to achieve acceptable travel time compared to POV;

- conceptually go beyond busses and trains (could include taxis, for example, especially for times of low traffic - rather than having no service available at those times).

Other features may have come to your mind...

I obviously have no lucky hand in choosing inspiring topics - so I cede my place to whoever wants to bring forward a topic.

Otherwise, this will be just another dead thread.

Free drinks?

I think the reason this thread is dying is that there's allmost no arguamentive gits active on the forum for the moment. I might like argueing, but it's much more fun doing it with somebody else (preferrablly an idiot with [nocando] up politics (hi everybody <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />)) than doing it by myself. Or doing itwith somebody with allmost the same oppinions on the topic...

Übereil

[color:"orange"]Or doing itwith somebody with allmost the same oppinions on the topic...[/color]
That's why playing the devil's advocate is a good excercise, for anybody <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

So I'm told, but I never seem to pull it off correctlly.

Übereil

.... or we can wait for Kiya to come up with juicy topics.

Yeah.. Let's do that... (Where is she anywhay?)

Übereil