hmm use to be good at this drawing stuff, more in an architectural way though all lines and angles, however the rheumy athritus put an end to that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" /> darn well have trouble writing nvm drawing something as wonderfull as the previous but ..... if I ever dig out my old books and I ever find the time to scan them well ,,,, you'd be the first to know <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />