ill try solving both in a row without reloading the save before solving. other quests work as intended.. it just seems to be these two. for the farm quest there was a gap of like 40 game days between receiving the quest and solving it. for the save family quest id guess about 10 game days between getting the quest and saving the family, however i waited probably another 10-20 days before actually looking for the family and boy after they ran off. im thinking it may be that i took so long it's counting things as failed.. but the quest log also claims i completed the quest successfully afterwards (and the dialogue as well).. ill try your two suggestions . thanks.