to each his/her own. i'm talking about opinions, of course. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

well Gal, christians who know their facts don't blame jews for putting jesus to death. in fact, christianity will not be possible had that not happen. i'm not saying i'm glad that it happened. but it did.

how it went, at least in the bible, is that jesus was implicated by the jewish religious bigshots for being deviant (or at least that's what they believed) & therefore reducing their influence over the people. so they handed him to the romans who were the rulers of israel at the time. jews at the time had no more national pride (other than that they're jewish) so romans were invaders turned rulers turned benefactors in their eyes.

so with 'respect' for the rules & laws, the romans got jesus as prisoner to be punished. according to roman laws, he's just a dude with his own religion thing so no laws were broken. pontius pilate (the governer in israel at the time) intended to hand him back to the jewish religious officials but they screamed for what they called justice to be meted out. pilate, fearful of conflict among the people (the romans just managed to own the place without more uneconomical conflicts to worry about) & not wanting some bad reviews to go back to rome about his mismanagement over something so trivial, washed his hands (this is the origin of that phrase) over the whole thing & let the jewish people (or rather the mob roused by the jewish religious officials) decide over the matter. so the decision ultimately went back to the jews & the jews decided it was better to have the serial criminal released rather than jesus.


& there u have it & i hope it's clear enough, Gal.

as for womble's view of the romans twisting the facts, i guess it's plausible in a way.

& about the christian symbol of the crucifix, we use it to remind ourselves what jesus had to go through for our salvation. & with that in mind, we will always be grateful & blessed. well there's more but i guess that's enough for now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

& as for celibacy, it's the decision of roman catholic church, so it's not from the time of jesus. in fact, most of jesus's closest disciples, called apostles, had wives & real jobs. saint paul, who before was a prosecutor of christians then turned to an active christian, was a cobbler by day & preacher by night.

edit: rince, u're right. Da Vinci Code was a fun read, nevertheless it's based on circumstancial evidence & i think the author was sued for stealing other people's research materials to write this book, hence its popularity.

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